posted 13 September 2002 02:13 PM         

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Originally posted by ditch man:
6. LHOT to gather, RHOT to strike: don't remember seeing any prominent intercounty hurler work this way . Michael 'Titch' Phelan used do it as an underage hurler in Kilkenny, but was obviously got out of it with coaching.

Was Seanie McCarthy of Cork a no. 6?

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posted 13 September 2002 02:58 PM         

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Originally posted by Babs Keating's neighbour:
A team of LHOTs:

1. Brendan Cummins
2. Sean O'Gorman
3. Leonard Enright
4. Martin Hanamy
5. Gerry Quinn
6. Ger Henderson
7. Gerry McInerney
8. Frank Cummins
9. Ollie Baker
10. Tim Crowley
11. Declan Ryan
12. Joe Cooney
13. Pat Fox
14. Liam Fennelly
15. Johnny Flaherty

Notable absentees:
Jimmy Doyle
Joe Deane
Pat Hartnett
Paul Kelly
Gerry McInerney (Clare)
Tony Doran
Joachim Kelly
etc.

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Nice one, BBK. Fancy sorting them out into categories 3 or 4, along with GP's additions?

posted 13 September 2002 03:01 PM         

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Originally posted by dell boy:
I catch with my left while holding down a bit on the right. When hitting i bring my left back to the top. It makes difficult on my left side. They tried to coach me out of it but too uncomfortable. What category am I in?!
What category is Joe Deane in?

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Dell boy you're a collector's item, in being no. 6. You solo run with right hand on top, i'd say, no? Joe Deane, as someone noted, I think, is no. 4.

posted 13 September 2002 03:38 PM         

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Originally posted by Arrigle:
Dell boy you're a collector's item, in being no. 6. You solo run with right hand on top, i'd say, no? Joe Deane, as someone noted, I think, is no. 4.

By the way, I'm a no. 2 (and left-handed to write and so on).

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posted 13 September 2002 03:42 PM         

I presume that people mean by 'good hand' the hand with which you write and so on. Therefore a guy who's right-handed and hurls in style 4 -- like Sid -- will be able to handpass with his stronger hand while solo running, without changing hands on the hurl. If you watch D. J.'s handpass to Jimmy Coogan in the semi-final, you'll see that he goes to a short grip with his left hand on the hurl before handpassing with his right hand. The same 'advantage' holds for no. 2.

The key point in this discussion is the side a lad would take a free off, if called upon. As someone noted, nos. 1 and 3 would be considered the 'proper' ways to hurl, in that the hurl is caught with the strongest wrist on top and frees are taken off the side which corresponds to the hand with which the hurler writes autographs for pretty girls. No. 3 is much less common, simply because only about 1 in 12 of the population are left-handed. Still, it is a joy to watch Paul Kelly strike a free, due to the fluency of his stroke.

Leaving aside nos. 5 and 6, which are rare (although Dinny Cahill spoke interestingly recently about how he had to do a lot of work with the Antrim players so as to get them to catch the ball with the correct hand -- which isn't necessarily the same as the 'good' hand), it is no. 4 which arouses the purist's ire. That is because frees are taken in a manner -- off the righthand side, a la Joe Deane -- which indicate that the strongest wrist is not on top. Style 2 -- a la Paul Codd -- is, logically, just as bad but never seems to cause the same irritation, probably because, in general play, especially at intercounty level, when most players are two-sided (but not Richie Mullally), no. 2 will resemble the most classical style of all, no. 1.

Sid, you talk of getting a 'bend' on the ball. That's because, I would imagine, you're striking while on the back foot, which means the sliothar goes up high -- too high, to a purist's eye -- in a class of a parabolic loop. That's precisely why the style meets objections. If you watch a lot of no. 4 hurlers -- Lar Corbett is the beast par excellence -- they drive balls up in the air, balls which seem to die away before value has been got out of the stroke, meaning (1) that such shots often drop short and are fetched by the goalkeeper; and (2) that such clearances do not suit the forward, since he positions himself on the basis that value will be got out of the stroke, only to find that the back has a crucial second, on the basis of the clearance tailing off, to come back at him again. A lot of forwards' hand injuries happen in this context. Back-foot hurling leads to things like Corbett's default posture sfter striking being like nothing so much as a bellringer surprised by a suddenly reascending bell.

The mark of a classy hurler is that he is nearly always able to essay strokes on the front foot. I'd hold to that as an axiom. Michael Cleary was so talented that he was able to do such while running at full pelt away from the goal, while striking back over his shoulder. It is, of course, easier to strike on the front foot when not leaning across your body, as in styles 2 and 4. But the best of lads will manage that one, too.

There are always exceptions: Gerry Quinn consistently strikes clearances of a good height and trajectory off his right, though he hurls in style 4 (he's possibly a no. 3, though, since I've never seen him strike a sideline: anyone clarify?). And the reason Quinn does that so consistently -- and watch him, next time you see him in action -- is because he's consistently striking while on his front foot. The most important thing U12s can be taught, therefore, is front-foot striking on both sides.

I know this whole subject may seem arcane to some people. But it would be ridiculous to discuss tennis withoout speaking of forehand and backhand. Surely it's equally ridiculous that hurling journalists -- save for the great Cashman -- advert so rarely to hurling techniques? Cashman once speculated in an article that Tom Cashman's purity of stroke was brought about by him having been 'got out of', as they say, hurling in style 4 as a young fella. I can say the same happened with Ger Fennelly and Henry Shefflin. You'd have to think that it's more than coincidence that those three players had/have so beautiful a striking action.

I'm sure there's a lot more juice in this one...

posted 13 September 2002 03:50 PM         

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Originally posted by dell boy:
Arrigle...Ya I solo with the right hand held down a bit on the hurley to allowthe left hand room to come up to the top when striking. It sounds awkward but it works for me. My striking off the left hand side is infrequent as a result.

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So I thought. It's fine, in its way, especially if you're fast. But the lack of striking off your left kills you with a cute back, especially if he's quick as well.

Know well meself the difficulties, since I got out of hurling in no. 6 and went to no. 2, being unable, though entirely left-handed, to make any go of no. 3. It's very dangerous for a young hurler to have a lot of pace, I reckon. You can get into all sorts of bad habits, using a scorch of speed to get you out of trouble. That all stops once you hit minor, when all the technical glitches come home to rust.

posted 13 September 2002 04:05 PM         

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Originally posted by Arrigle:

So I thought. It's fine, in its way, especially if you're fast. But the lack of striking off your left kills you with a cute back, especially if he's quick as well.

Know well meself the difficulties, since I got out of hurling in no. 6 and went to no. 2, being unable, though entirely left-handed, to make any go of no. 3. It's very dangerous for a young hurler to have a lot of pace, I reckon. You can get into all sorts of bad habits, using a scorch of speed to get you out of trouble. That all stops once you hit minor, when all the technical glitches come home to rust.

I think Chris Waddle was like this in soccer: right-handed but favoured his left foot. I think it's called 'cross-lateralization'.

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Arrigle, why do you think it is that while most right handed players are no. 1s in the pure style, us ciotogs have an assortment of *******ised styles?????

I think its down to bad coaching and also, as a child, doing what your (predominantly right handed) peers do....ie striking of your right because everyone else does...

posted 13 September 2002 04:22 PM         

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Originally posted by On the border:
Arrigle, why do you think it is that while most right handed players are no. 1s in the pure style, us ciotogs have an assortment of *******ised styles?????

I think its down to bad coaching and also, as a child, doing what your (predominantly right handed) peers do....ie striking of your right because everyone else does...

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Hard to say, OTB. I've a feeling that ciotogs are in a minority of more than 1 in 12 as hurlers. There's also, as you say, the overwhelming paradigm of no. 1.

Some of it is weird. I'd love to have been able to hurl in no. 3 style. But I just couldn't get my wrists round it. My brother is right-handed and also hurls in style 2. Maybe our family just has quare genetics!

posted 13 September 2002 04:39 PM         

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Originally posted by Arrigle:
Hard to say, OTB. I've a feeling that ciotogs are in a minority of more than 1 in 12 as hurlers. There's also, as you say, the overwhelming paradigm of no. 1.

Some of it is weird. I'd love to have been able to hurl in no. 3 style. But I just couldn't get my wrists round it. My brother is right-handed and also hurls in style 2. Maybe our family just has quare genetics!

I do think that it is good to try and get young lads, who are hurling no. 4, to hurl no. 1, so long as you get them young. The 'advantage' of the good hand to handpass is outweighed, I think, by the difficulties of having your main stroke the one leaning across your body.

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posted 13 September 2002 04:58 PM         

I think that's the nub of the matter. If your strongest side requires you to pull the hurl across your body you're limiting the swing/arc of your hurl, hence most hurlers lose power/distance. That said the wristier a hurler is, the less they require power from the shoulders/arms. Justin McCarthy mentions Tommy Dunne's first point in the All-Ireland last year -from the sideline running at full tilt off his 'weaker' side- as the definition of this.

posted 13 September 2002 06:31 PM         

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Originally posted by Arrigle:
Hard to say, OTB. I've a feeling that ciotogs are in a minority of more than 1 in 12 as hurlers. There's also, as you say, the overwhelming paradigm of no. 1.

Some of it is weird. I'd love to have been able to hurl in no. 3 style. But I just couldn't get my wrists round it. My brother is right-handed and also hurls in style 2. Maybe our family just has quare genetics!

I do think that it is good to try and get young lads, who are hurling no. 4, to hurl no. 1, so long as you get them young. The 'advantage' of the good hand to handpass is outweighed, I think, by the difficulties of having your main stroke the one leaning across your body.

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posted 13 September 2002 07:08 PM         

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Originally posted by sid wallace:
whats Peter Queally

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posted 13 September 2002 07:10 PM         

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Originally posted by Arrigle:

Great topic. But which do you mean, MS, lefthandders like Paul Kelly or leftthanders like Lar Corbett? It'd be a big distinction.

From what I've seen, there are six ways fellas hurl:

1. Right hand on top, right-oriented (that is to say, they'd take a free or a sideline cut off their right): the great majority of lads.

2. RHOT, left-orientated: Paul Codd, Richie Mullally, Eamon Kennedy, Paul O'Grady, Niall Gilligan, Alan Markham.

3. LHOT, left-oriented: Declan Ryan, Ger Henderson, Pat Hartnett, Jimmy Doyle, Paul Kelly, Clem Smith.

4. LHOT, right-oriented: Joe Cooney, J. J. Delaney, Brendan Lynskey, Lar Corbett, Brendan Cummins, Brendan Landers.

5. RHOT to gather, LHOT to strike: Gary Kirby, Kevin Hennessy, Barry Foley.

6. LHOT to gather, RHOT to strike: don't remember seeing any prominent intercounty hurler work this way . Michael 'Titch' Phelan used do it as an underage hurler in Kilkenny, but was obviously got out of it with coaching.

There may be a 7th category for Gerry McInerney, though I don't know what you'd term it...

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posted 14 September 2002 03:09 AM         

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Originally posted by exile:
"the difficulties of having your main stroke the one leaning across your body"

I think that's the nub of the matter. If your strongest side requires you to pull the hurl across your body you're limiting the swing/arc of your hurl, hence most hurlers lose power/distance. That said the wristier a hurler is, the less they require power from the shoulders/arms. Justin McCarthy mentions Tommy Dunne's first point in the All-Ireland last year -from the sideline running at full tilt off his 'weaker' side- as the definition of this.

Cashman had an article in the Indo a few years ago grading the stylists of the very modern era. From old he cited Lory Meagher and Jack Lynch and from the most recent era he dwelt on Michael Cleary, Tommy Dunne and Johnny Dooley. He gave Johnny Dooley the nod ever so slightly ahead of the previous two.

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Uncanny, our similar focus, Exile. That Dunne point would be one of the first pieces of video I'd show a young hurler regarding the zenith of strokeplay. But he's a no. 1, of course. How did you hurl yourself?

If you have to lean across your body -- in styles 2 and 4 -- for your main stroke -- then you're under pressure to get a front-foot strike away. That doesn't augur well for the secondary stroke...

Thought you'd like this topic. Not forgetting my date with destiny on AFR.

posted 14 September 2002 03:16 AM         

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Originally posted by maiguesider:
ARRIGLE

I THINK THIS IS A GREAT TOPIC AND YOUR OBSERVATIONS ARE THE BEST I'VE SEEN ON THIS SITE ; I THINK THE CIOTOG'S get shown up when they get older ;

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Thank you kindly, MS. Shure, they'll be making foie gras of my head, if it gets any more swelled with the compliments!

I'm a man for discussing techniques, since that's, in my humble opinion, the bottom line. But I'm sure it bores a lot of people silly.

You still haven't clarified for me what you mean by 'ciotog': no. 3 or no. 4? Please do, since I'd like to carry on with the topic.

I'll try to post two separate teams of no. 3s and no. 4s on Sunday evening.

Keep it country now. All the best.

posted 14 September 2002 05:51 PM         

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Originally posted by Arrigle:

So I thought. It's fine, in its way, especially if you're fast. But the lack of striking off your left kills you with a cute back, especially if he's quick as well.

Know well meself the difficulties, since I got out of hurling in no. 6 and went to no. 2, being unable, though entirely left-handed, to make any go of no. 3. It's very dangerous for a young hurler to have a lot of pace, I reckon. You can get into all sorts of bad habits, using a scorch of speed to get you out of trouble. That all stops once you hit minor, when all the technical glitches come home to rust.

I think Chris Waddle was like this in soccer: right-handed but favoured his left foot. I think it's called 'cross-lateralization'.

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I'm LHOT but I prefer striking from my right but (like a golf swing - in fact tis fierce handy if you take up golf cos you don't need to retrain). I write with my right hand but I can play racket sports (squash) with either hand depending on where the ball is coming from. Then again I'm left footed. I solo with the right hand, but a bit down the hurley so I can grab the top of the hurley with my left. No wonder I was no good.

posted 14 September 2002 10:28 PM         

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Originally posted by Arrigle:
Thank you kindly, MS. Shure, they'll be making foie gras of my head, if it gets any more swelled with the compliments!

I'm a man for discussing techniques, since that's, in my humble opinion, the bottom line. But I'm sure it bores a lot of people silly.

You still haven't clarified for me what you mean by 'ciotog': no. 3 or no. 4? Please do, since I'd like to carry on with the topic.

I'll try to post two separate teams of no. 3s and no. 4s on Sunday evening.

Keep it country now. All the best.

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posted 16 September 2002 09:30 AM         

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Originally posted by Arrigle:
Uncanny, our similar focus, Exile. That Dunne point would be one of the first pieces of video I'd show a young hurler regarding the zenith of strokeplay. But he's a no. 1, of course. How did you hurl yourself?

If you have to lean across your body -- in styles 2 and 4 -- for your main stroke -- then you're under pressure to get a front-foot strike away. That doesn't augur well for the secondary stroke...

Thought you'd like this topic. Not forgetting my date with destiny on AFR.

All the best.

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I'm a no. 1 Arrigle, great topic alright.

posted 16 September 2002 07:59 PM         

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whats Peter Queally

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No. I or no. 2, Sid. Have never seen him take a sideline or a free. But I'd say he's a no. 1.

Queally's not up to the mark this long time, which or whether.

posted 16 September 2002 10:04 PM         

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Originally posted by Arrigle:
No. I or no. 2, Sid. Have never seen him take a sideline or a free. But I'd say he's a no. 1.

Queally's not up to the mark this long time, which or whether.

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Lads, furthering the spirit of an excellent thread, here are some teams. Be delighted, needless to say, to have any additions, suggestions, replacements, clarifications and so on.

I've asterisked lads I've no recall of seeing take a sideline or a free but whose general play leads me to put them in a particular category. Be particularly glad to have confirmation on those fellas, one way or another. There must be a no. 2 goalkeeper out there, easily evident in the style of his puckouts.

TEAM OF NO. 2s

1. Ollie Marsh (Broadford)
2. Bill Hennessy* (Kilkenny)
3. Hubert Rigney (Offaly)
4. Liam Simpson (Kilkenny)
5. Richie Mullally (Kilkenny)
6. Eamon Kennedy (Kilkenny)
7. Liam Keoghan* (Kilkenny)
8. Derek Barrett (Cork)
9. Michael Phelan* (Kilkenny)
10. Paul O'Grady (Limerick)
11. Brian McEvoy (Kilkenny)
12. Paul Codd (Wexford)
13. Niall Gilligan (Clare)
14. Joe Rabbitte (Galway)
15. Alan Markham (Clare)

SUBS: Was Pat Dwyer not a no. 2? Bizarrely, I'm not sure. If so, we could have an all-Kilkenny backline.

Martin Naughton (Galway) ???

TEAM OF NO. 3s

1. Seamus Shinnors (Galway)
2. Seanie McCarthy* (Cork)
3. Leonard Enright* (Limerick)
4. Clem Smith (Limerick)
5. Paul Kelly (Tipperary)
6. Ger Henderson (Kilkenny)
7. Martin Coogan (Kilkenny)
8. Frank Cummins (Kilkenny)
9. Pat Hartnett (Cork)
10. Eanna Ryan* (Galway)
11. Larry Murphy (Wexford)
12. Jimmy Doyle (Tipperary)
13. Pat Fox (Tipperary)
14. Declan Ryan (Tipperary)
15. David Forde (Clare)

SUBS: Timmy Houlihan (Limerick) ???
Pat Hartigan* (Limerick)
Barry Lambert (Wexford)
Johnny Callinan (Clare)

TEAM OF NO. 4s

1. Brendan Cummins (Tipperary)
2. J. J. Dealaney (Kilkenny)
3. Pa Dillon* (Kilkenny)
4. Martin Hanamy (Offaly)
5. Gerry Quinn* (Clare)
6. Peter Barry (Kilkenny)
7. Gerry McInerney (Galway)
8. Ollie Baker (Clare)
9. Michael Coleman (Galway)
10. Mick Crotty* (Kilkenny)
11. Joe Cooney (Galway)
12. Kevin Broderick* (Galway)
13. Joe Deane (Cork)
14. Liam Fennelly (Kilkenny)
15. Lar Corbett (Tipperary)

SUBS: Anthony Cunningham* (Galway)

Over to ye.

posted 18 September 2002 03:38 PM         

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Originally posted by exile:
I'm a no. 1 Arrigle, great topic alright.

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Yes, Exile, doesn't surprise me to hear that you're a no. 1: nice and direct, like your prose.

posted 18 September 2002 04:02 PM         

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Originally posted by 3inarow:
Patrick kirby is the latest Right Hand Down man on the scene for Limerick.

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posted 18 September 2002 04:16 PM         

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Originally posted by Goodchristian:
Arrigle, I'm devastated! Pat Hartigan a no. 3!! Pat retired prematurely the year before I attended my first Limerick match (league semi v Tipp 1980), but in my minds eye I have always imagined him as a no. 1, soaring into the air, catching and sending huge clearances down the field. I now have to reimagine all my childhood daydreams!

Anyway, Ger Hegarty has to get a midfield slot on the No. 2 team...

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Thanks, GC. Sorry for distress caused... But was Hartigan a 3 or a 4? Surely there'll be someone to clear that one up? Unless I'm going daft, he was LHOT, wasn't he?

So Hegarty was a no. 2? Didn't remember that? Did he take frees, then?

posted 18 September 2002 04:16 PM         

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Originally posted by Arrigle:

TEAM OF NO. 4s

1. Brendan Cummins (Tipperary)
2. J. J. Dealaney (Kilkenny)
3. Pa Dillon* (Kilkenny)
4. Martin Hanamy (Offaly)
5. Gerry Quinn* (Clare)
6. Peter Barry (Kilkenny)
7. Gerry McInerney (Galway)
8. Ollie Baker (Clare)
9. Michael Coleman (Galway)
10. Mick Crotty* (Kilkenny)
11. Joe Cooney (Galway)
12. Kevin Broderick* (Galway)
13. Joe Deane (Cork)
14. Liam Fennelly (Kilkenny)
15. Lar Corbett (Tipperary)

SUBS: Anthony Cunningham* (Galway)

Over to ye.

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benny Dunne is a number 4 i think.he'd be worth an inclusion on the team as is john o'brien

posted 18 September 2002 04:16 PM         

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Originally posted by Arrigle:

TEAM OF NO. 4s

1. Brendan Cummins (Tipperary)
2. J. J. Dealaney (Kilkenny)
3. Pa Dillon* (Kilkenny)
4. Martin Hanamy (Offaly)
5. Gerry Quinn* (Clare)
6. Peter Barry (Kilkenny)
7. Gerry McInerney (Galway)
8. Ollie Baker (Clare)
9. Michael Coleman (Galway)
10. Mick Crotty* (Kilkenny)
11. Joe Cooney (Galway)
12. Kevin Broderick* (Galway)
13. Joe Deane (Cork)
14. Liam Fennelly (Kilkenny)
15. Lar Corbett (Tipperary)

SUBS: Anthony Cunningham* (Galway)

Over to ye.

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benny Dunne is a number 4 i think.he'd be worth an inclusion on the team as is john o'brien

posted 18 September 2002 04:19 PM         

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Originally posted by Arrigle:
A few things.

The key point in this discussion is the side a lad would take a free off, if called upon.

[This message has been edited by Arrigle (edited 13 September 2002).]

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Jamesie O'Connor occurs to me as a possible exceptional, taking frees as a number one, but much more comfortable as a number 2 when striking on the run. I would (in my own junior C way) try to model myself on this. My right side is stronger, but I find the left-sided stroke much more natural on the run, possibly because the ball is closer to both shoulders the moment you release it from the hand. Does that make sense to anyone?

posted 18 September 2002 04:24 PM         

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Originally posted by Arrigle:

So Hegarty was a no. 2? Didn't remember that? Did he take frees, then?

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The only time I saw Ger take a free was in the 1984 Harty Cup final for Sexton St against Farranferris. He took it off his left side, right hand on top, as he does for almost all his strokes.

posted 18 September 2002 04:28 PM         

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Originally posted by Goodchristian:
Jamesie O'Connor occurs to me as a possible exceptional, taking frees as a number one, but much more comfortable as a number 2 when striking on the run. I would (in my own junior C way) try to model myself on this. My right side is stronger, but I find the left-sided stroke much more natural on the run, possibly because the ball is closer to both shoulders the moment you release it from the hand. Does that make sense to anyone?

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Perfect sense, GC. Very good point about Jamsie: he is a bit unusual in favouring his left in open play.

Thanks for clearing up about Hegarty for me.

posted 18 September 2002 04:29 PM         

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Interesting, 3inarow. But LHOT in style 3 or style 4?

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posted 18 September 2002 04:32 PM         

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benny Dunne is a number 4 i think.he'd be worth an inclusion on the team as is john o'brien

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Not sure about them, YS, since I've never seen them puck a free or a sideline.

BD is a no. 4, I'd say, by the way he goes about things. JO'B's probably the same, as most such lads are, but 'twouldn't surprise me, loking at him, if JO'B were a no. 3.

posted 18 September 2002 06:10 PM         

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Originally posted by Arrigle:

Yes, Exile, doesn't surprise me to hear that you're a no. 1: nice and direct, like your prose.

Just wanted to ask you: any stories of prominent Tipp hurlers who were 'got out' of hurling no. 4 fashion as young lads? Henry Shefflin would hardly have achieved what he's achieved if he'd stayed as a no. 4. It seems to leave a fella, if the changeover works, with a lovely symmetry in his stroke.

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Can't think of any off hand, but I'll ask any of the older lags I meet in the near future. I'll probably run into Skip at a wedding on Friday, he'll know a few surely.

posted 18 September 2002 11:33 PM         

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Originally posted by Goodchristian:
The only time I saw Ger take a free was in the 1984 Harty Cup final for Sexton St against Farranferris. He took it off his left side, right hand on top, as he does for almost all his strokes.

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posted 19 September 2002 09:08 AM         

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Originally posted by Arrigle:

Yes, Exile, doesn't surprise me to hear that you're a no. 1: nice and direct, like your prose.

Just wanted to ask you: any stories of prominent Tipp hurlers who were 'got out' of hurling no. 4 fashion as young lads? Henry Shefflin would hardly have achieved what he's achieved if he'd stayed as a no. 4. It seems to leave a fella, if the changeover works, with a lovely symmetry in his stroke.

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Colm Bonnar was one of them, and despite some excellent performances for Tipp (esp. at centre back in the twilight of his career) non-one would ever describe his striking as "symmetrical". Can't think of any others.

posted 19 September 2002 10:35 AM         

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Originally posted by Paddy Mac's Tractor:

Ay, I was at that game myself in Charleville. Mark Foley played for Farna (took the frees). They also had Barry Harte as captain. Limerick had a fair few of the minor team of 84 playing for them.

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Amazing how this forum brings together people whose paths have never crossed, save for attending a schools final in North Cork eighteen years ago!

posted 19 September 2002 10:48 AM         

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Nary a no. 2 goalie come to mind?[/B]

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What about Brendan Landers?? Or is he a no. 4?? I cant remember.