posted 21 September 2002 12:51 AM         

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Originally posted by twiceasnice97:
Was the fat antrim keeper patterson a number 2?

How about Ken Hogan?

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posted 21 September 2002 12:54 AM         

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Originally posted by An Gruag:
Wasn't Martin Coleman on the Cork 3 in a row a 2. There was also a guy called Humphrey Kellegher from Abbeyside in the 70s who played a few challenges for Waterford.
I could be wrong but I think Stephen Greene from Mount Sion fell into this category, though he didn't go back into goal until his later years.

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posted 21 September 2002 12:58 AM         

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Originally posted by Glenomra Park:
Club: Broadford (the finest establishment in the West of Ireland)

Goalie: Ollie Marsh-a red head with a fiery temper and a savage eye for the ball. Has kept us in many a match.

Ye'll all here more of him and the rest of us when we become County Champions.

Áth Leathan Abú.

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posted 23 September 2002 02:44 PM         

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Originally posted by Arrigle:

Another great hurling topic, PMT. Fair play. Perhaps it deserves a thread of its own?

As for taking penalties: a lot depends on whether it's been raining or not. Carey's penalty just before halftime in the '92 Final
showed the potent possibilities of a greasy turf.

Equally, with a rock-hard square in July or August, going low is a good option. I remember Ger Fennelly scoring some hummers in Thomastown in such fashion.

Christy Ring's take on penalties was that you have to strike the ball 'on the up': that's to say, you have to strike the sliothar as it's has started to descend from the highest point of where it went up in the air from the pick with the hurl. If you decide to go low -- wet day or scorching day -- making sure you still strike 'on the up' requires considerable technical skill.

Any more thoughts? What would people consider the finest penalty they ever saw struck? And the worst one?

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posted 23 September 2002 02:50 PM         

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Originally posted by Arrigle:
Lads, furthering the spirit of an excellent thread, here are some teams. Be delighted, needless to say, to have any additions, suggestions, replacements, clarifications and so on.

I've asterisked lads I've no recall of seeing take a sideline or a free but whose general play leads me to put them in a particular category. Be particularly glad to have confirmation on those fellas, one way or another. There must be a no. 2 goalkeeper out there, easily evident in the style of his puckouts.

TEAM OF NO. 2s

1. Ollie Marsh (Broadford)
2. Bill Hennessy* (Kilkenny)
3. Hubert Rigney (Offaly)
4. Liam Simpson (Kilkenny)
5. Richie Mullally (Kilkenny)
6. Eamon Kennedy (Kilkenny)
7. Liam Keoghan* (Kilkenny)
8. Derek Barrett (Cork)
9. Michael Phelan* (Kilkenny)
10. Paul O'Grady (Limerick)
11. Brian McEvoy (Kilkenny)
12. Paul Codd (Wexford)
13. Niall Gilligan (Clare)
14. Joe Rabbitte (Galway)
15. Alan Markham (Clare)

SUBS: Was Pat Dwyer not a no. 2? Bizarrely, I'm not sure. If so, we could have an all-Kilkenny backline.

Martin Naughton (Galway) ???

TEAM OF NO. 3s

1. Seamus Shinnors (Galway)
2. Seanie McCarthy* (Cork)
3. Leonard Enright* (Limerick)
4. Clem Smith (Limerick)
5. Paul Kelly (Tipperary)
6. Ger Henderson (Kilkenny)
7. Martin Coogan (Kilkenny)
8. Frank Cummins (Kilkenny)
9. Pat Hartnett (Cork)
10. Eanna Ryan* (Galway)
11. Larry Murphy (Wexford)
12. Jimmy Doyle (Tipperary)
13. Pat Fox (Tipperary)
14. Declan Ryan (Tipperary)
15. David Forde (Clare)

SUBS: Timmy Houlihan (Limerick) ???
Pat Hartigan* (Limerick)
Barry Lambert (Wexford)
Johnny Callinan (Clare)

TEAM OF NO. 4s

1. Brendan Cummins (Tipperary)
2. J. J. Dealaney (Kilkenny)
3. Pa Dillon* (Kilkenny)
4. Martin Hanamy (Offaly)
5. Gerry Quinn* (Clare)
6. Peter Barry (Kilkenny)
7. Gerry McInerney (Galway)
8. Ollie Baker (Clare)
9. Michael Coleman (Galway)
10. Mick Crotty* (Kilkenny)
11. Joe Cooney (Galway)
12. Kevin Broderick* (Galway)
13. Joe Deane (Cork)
14. Liam Fennelly (Kilkenny)
15. Lar Corbett (Tipperary)

SUBS: Anthony Cunningham* (Galway)

Over to ye.

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posted 23 September 2002 04:18 PM         

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I'd have put both Ollie Baker and Peter Barry as more 3 than 4 (admitedly Baker takes lineballs with his right but I could never see him taking a free as a 4)[/B][/QUOTE]

Thanks, OTB. Never saw Eanna Ryan except in general play. I'll adjust the team.

posted 23 September 2002 04:26 PM         

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Originally posted by Goodchristian:
Jamesie O'Connor occurs to me as a possible exceptional, taking frees as a number one, but much more comfortable as a number 2 when striking on the run. I would (in my own junior C way) try to model myself on this. My right side is stronger, but I find the left-sided stroke much more natural on the run, possibly because the ball is closer to both shoulders the moment you release it from the hand. Does that make sense to anyone?

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GC, this issue stayed in my mind, since I was trying to think of other hurlers like JO'C. And then one arrived: Ciaran Carey.

Any of the Limerick lads able to confirm whether Carey is a no. 1 or a no. 2? I think -- though I haven't any firm recall of him taking frees and so on -- that he is a no. 1, who favours, like Jamsie, his left when on the move. But maybe I'm wrong in that.

posted 23 September 2002 05:33 PM         

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Originally posted by Arrigle:
Thanks, Twice. I'm nearly sure Hogan was a no. 1. Patterson is a possibility, though, now that I think of it. Anyone with confirmation?

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think you might be wrong here as i seem to recall that hogan was right hand on top but pucked out across his body as did patterson, but I don`t know for certain does this fit into the correct criteria.

posted 25 September 2002 06:26 PM         

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Originally posted by twiceasnice97:
think you might be wrong here as i seem to recall that hogan was right hand on top but pucked out across his body as did patterson, but I don`t know for certain does this fit into the correct criteria.

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My recall is not really that strong, Twice, in either instance. So I'm entirely happy to go with your take on things.

posted 25 September 2002 06:28 PM         

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Originally posted by Arrigle:

GC, this issue stayed in my mind, since I was trying to think of other hurlers like JO'C. And then one arrived: Ciaran Carey.

Any of the Limerick lads able to confirm whether Carey is a no. 1 or a no. 2? I think -- though I haven't any firm recall of him taking frees and so on -- that he is a no. 1, who favours, like Jamsie, his left when on the move. But maybe I'm wrong in that.

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