Proposed
Detention Centre in Clondalkin. Adjournment Debate [31|01|03]
Mr. Gogarty:
I tabled a parliamentary question to the Minister for Justice, Equality
and Law Reform asking him which land areas had been examined in regard
to the proposed facility for the Prison Service headquarters, a storage
facility and juvenile place of detention. I was disappointed with the
response in which I was told that, on foot of advertisements, submissions
regarding 25 properties had been received and that another 15 sites
were in State ownership. I was disappointed I was not given any details
on any of these alternative facilities which might have helped. Possibly,
some submissions were made in confidence and I can only presume they
were made by landowners who were not able to have their land rezoned
for residential purposes and possibly thought they could make a few
bucks by selling it as prison space.
I know Inchicore was turned down as a site and that Lucan was considered.
I wish to point to the unsuitability of the site at Newlands Villa.
That is the reason I ask the Minister to strongly consider reviewing
the matter. Although an advertisement was placed in the newspapers before
Christmas in this regard, it is still not too late to stop it. The response
to the parliamentary question I tabled stated no final decision had
been taken but given that an advertisement has been placed seeking submissions,
etc., the Government must be strongly considering the Clondalkin site.
There are a number of reasons the site is not suitable. It is located
on the Naas Road in the Tallaght electoral area just outside my constituency
of Dublin Mid-West. It is, however, in the townland of Clondalkin in
which there are already two prison facilities. I have never been an
advocate of the "not in my back yard" syndrome but there is
a certain siege mentality in Clondalkin which is considered to be a
disadvantaged area, no less than Tallaght. I am glad the Minister of
State, Deputy Brian Lenihan, is keeping an eye on proceedings.
That is a minor point but the main point is that the proposed site is
located in a green belt area which has for years been fought for by
the communities in Kingswood, Tallaght and Clondalkin. It is a precious
piece of land because some of the other land in the area is owned by
the IRFU. There is a belief that if the facility goes ahead and a significant
chunk of the green belt is eaten into, the rest of it will be diminished
and there will be no green belt along the Belgard Road and the Naas
dual carriageway between Clondalkin and Tallaght.
I suggest the Minister uses an existing brown field site or facility
such as the one in Shanganagh which, given its type, would have to be
significantly altered. I have received submissions from various members
of the Prison Service on the q.t. in that regard. Whatever his thoughts
on the matter, will the Minister look again at its location? There are
other facilities on greenfield sites which would not act as a border
between areas and have potential. There is a reliable public transport
service, even as far out as Maynooth, and land banks available, possibly
at agricultural land prices, which would be more suitable.
I highlight the significant danger to the public arising from the proposed
location which borders the Naas dual carriageway, off which access would
be gained. A key point is that South Dublin County Council planners
have made a submission objecting in the strongest terms to the proposed
location. The zoning of the land allows for prison utilities, a Travellers'
halting site, certain types of golf developments or spaced out agriculture
type housing. The planners take a realistic view in regard to zoning
for amenity purposes but, using their expert analysis, have decided
the proposed development is not in the interests of proper planning
and development of the Clondalkin-Tallaght area. I hope their submission
will be taken on board by the Commissioners of Public Works. If not,
I hope the Minister will take it on board.
I do not know whether the Tánaiste and Deputy Curran from the
Dublin Mid-West constituency have made representations to the Minister
but as an Opposition Deputy, my hands are not as tied. Will the Minister
take into consideration the fact that South Dublin County Council has
stated it is a dangerous location? The National Roads Authority generally
would not allow road access. I, therefore, question the reason it is
allowing it in this case. I urge the Minister to review this location.
While we need prison facilities, this is the wrong location.
Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform (Mr. McDowell):
I am grateful to the Deputy for raising this matter. I stress that the
fact the advertisement to which he referred was published is by no means
evidence that any decision has been made. I know he understands this to
be so. Likewise, I understand completely what he said about the opposition
of local residents in his constituency and the constituency of Dublin
South West. I am also conscious that the local authority has expressed
in the strongest terms an objection to the plan on a number of grounds.
In those circumstances, I must obviously consider whether this proposal,
which is not one that comes from me but which has been put to me, should
be proceeded with.
I am examining a number of options, including some of the options mentioned
by the Deputy, but not the particular options of Inchicore and Lucan to
which he referred. The Deputy will appreciate that the development was
supposed to consist of three elements: a store, a prison service headquarters
and a juvenile detention centre. One possibility is that, in the context
of the Government's programme for decentralisation, the head office of
the prison service might be moved out of Dublin. That is an option which
I want to consider.
I also wish to consider whether it is necessary to build a juvenile detention
centre of this type at all. The Deputy may or may not know that in recent
times the special school facilities that were to be provided for younger
offenders in St. Patrick's Institution have been the subject of a review
by the Government. Whether or not they will be devoted to 14 and 15 year
old offenders and unruly children is now the subject matter of a review.
It may well be that these will become available to augment St. Patrick's
Institution. I must also consider whether, or when, a new institution
for 16 and 17 year old offenders is required and whether it should be
built in Dublin or elsewhere.
I have not yet reached a firm conclusion as regards the decision I will
have to make on this proposal. It is a matter upon which I will require
more time to examine all the options open to me.
Mr. Gogarty:
What sort of timeframe is the Minister considering?
Mr. McDowell:
I hope to come to a decision on the matter within the next six weeks.
Lest the Deputy should be in any way doubtful about the issue, Deputies
Curran and Harney have expressed views to me on behalf of their constituents.
A number of other Deputies from the general region of west Dublin and
in neighbouring constituencies have also expressed strong views. In arriving
at a conclusion, I will take all those views into account along with the
many representations I have received from residents in the vicinity, the
local authority and the views of my colleagues in Government.
I wish to emphasise, however, that this matter is certainly not something
on which any conclusive decision has been made. I hope to come to such
a decision within approximately six weeks.
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