Posted by: -JUG-- 56th FG 61st FS

Posted on: 01:31:37 11/05/98

Message: Hello all,

Just wondering why so many people fly the SPIT in WB arena?? I mean, not to be complaining I love the Spit historically and in the WB arena. But I am sick and tired of seeing 75% of the fliers flying the thing. Expand your horisions and skill. Fly something challenging. Hell, the P51s are a pain in the ass to fly if you get in a slow turn and burn fight, the spit will eat its lunch. God forbid your in a tight slow fight in a P47: Might as well put a KICK ME sign on you back. I rarely fly a SPit and when I due I usually get 3 to 4 kills farely easy, very stable and easy machine to fly.

Also, I have noticed after 2 years of flying WB: that a majority of people that call other pilots chicken for running out and in again are the SPIT pilots. Think about it, if you want to survive against the SPIT in such planes as the P47, P51, 190s, and other high performance aircraft you have to zoom and boom. WIth the new scoreing system in WB Zooming and BOoming are getting used more.

In a BOOK by RICHARD S Johnson, one of the leading P47 aces of Zemke's Wolpack(TITLE THUNDERBOLT) He even explains that when he had mock battles against Spits that to when against a Spit you had to use sheer SPEED to win(He won almost every mock engagement with a SPit). So all the pilots that call other pilots.. quote RUNNERs and your in a spit..THINK. I fly the P47C, D, and P39C, and I due okay with them. I never whine online against other people and WHEn I die against a Spit it is usually A:pulled a stupid and went low and slow or B: get ganged banged C: Run into a Spit that the pilots is at the ALT as I am(15k plus) and is damm good. The P47s are more difficult to fly and most people push it aside but I never will get into a slow fight with a Spit.

Anyway, Sorry to go on like that. I like all the aircraft in WB and I try to fly at least 4 to 5 different ones in a night to expand my knowledge and skill. Maybe that is why I like HA and I salut all those who fly in it and I wish more would fly in it. I noticed when in later war years HA that most people put the SPIT aside for Stangs and P47s.

In closing, I like and LOVE the SPIT. Could someone please explain to me WHY so many people fly it?? IMOL has worked very very hard to provide us with a variety of aircraft to meet the demands but in the end its the Stangs, Doras, and mainly the SPITS that get flown. I think there is too many version of the SPIT and those British slots could of been givin up for the TYpHoon or TEMPEST...hell what about the Lancaster.

WEll my 2 bits.

NO Slam on Spit pilots, I just dont see why so many fly it and would like to know more?

Thank you for your TIME... good luck and God speed!

JUG CO Zemke's Wolfpack

56th FG

61st FS

Posted by: jedi

Posted on: 11:36:06 11/05/98

Message:

OK, my BIG assumption is that most of us WB'ers are NOT real pilots, but are gamers who are obsessed with WW2 air combat ;-)

Simply put, the Spit flies intuitively. Want to go fast? Put the nose down. Want to climb? Nose up and WEP. Want to turn? Lurch push stick left and pull, plane go left. Want to turn tighter? Lurch pull stick more. So it doesn't take a real pilot to figure out how it flies best--because it really has almost no vices.

Then throw in the fact that it really is the best all-around "compromise" plane in the game. You can fly any style successfully, and even if you are trying to do something the other guy's plane does a little better, if HE makes a mistake, or isn't quite as good as you, you'll win. And of course they have Spits that span the whole RPS with only subtle changes in the way they fly, so becoming good in the Spit means you can fly well throughout the whole RPS.

The P-38L used to be the same sort of plane before it's magic flaps were removed, (and really the whole 38 series is probably just as good a choice as the Spit, but I think that guys seem to feel the Spit outturns the 38 now, and again, the intuitive way to fly WB is to turn).

Most of the older heads, I think, fly other planes, not because the Spit is "easy," but because it doesn't take long to figure out the right way to fly it, and at least for me, once I have a basic competency in something, it becomes more interesting to learn one of the other planes than just replicate my success level over and over in the same plane.

And of course, you have to factor in the "I just wanna win all the time" crowd. Once you become a "really good furballer" (whatever that is) you can generally kill oodles of newbies whenever you like in the Spit, whereas it will take you a month or two to reach that same point if you have to learn a plane like the F4U or P-51 or 109.

And it's also one of the "legendary" planes, like the 51 or 109, so you're going to have guys who just like the idea of flying a Spitfire sim, like me :-)

So it's a combo of good, famous airplane, new players, "lazy" players, and winwinwin mentality IMHO. Most of the other planes can't put that same combo together.

And FWIW I fly the Spit as my early war RPS ride, so I certainly don't slam the Spitters.

--jedi

Posted by: Dnil Maj 900th Bloody Jaguars

Posted on: 09:07:41 11/05/98

Message: Some of us refuse to fly spits, once again our opinion. I fly mostly 51s and 47s late war with 38js for defense. Early war usually f4fs and f6fs when they come out. I think the main reason people fly the spit is its ease of flight and big punch with the guns. If guns were weaker think people would bail on it(like the f4u-4). I personaly think its a weak ride and helps a pilot out too much but IMHO most WB planes are modelled wrong. I usually do not respect spit drivers as much, nothing like a good 109 driver to scare the piss out of me. Just ended a 50 kill streak with not one sortie in a spit, 75% in 47s and rest in 51s. But its your $2 so fly what ya want, but I agree the MA is the spit/190 arena.

Dnil

Posted by: =ram1=

Posted on: 08:57:25 11/05/98

Message:

Two years ago this would have read, why do so many people fly the P38?

Then, why do so many people fly the FW190D?

etc.

In fact the Spit was very popular back then, until they changed the artwork and raised the cowling to make low deflection shots difficult (oops, ram1 said the cowling word). It then became much less popular until recently.

I think the popularity of the Spit is for a few reasons.

1. Most new pilots find it a good ride to learn in. It is the plane I recommend to all newbies who come to training to get their first Warbirds experience. It gives them time to learn and then move to other rides.

2. The Spit allows a pilot to fly the entire RPS in the same plane variant.

3. The Spit is probably the best overall fighter in Warbirds, not great in any one area, but not a poor performer in any one area either.

4. Some pilots just like the way it looks.

In any event fly what you want to fly, your paying the same as everyone else, but don't expect to change peoples minds.

=ram1= XO 901st Immortals

Posted by: fd-ski S/L Squadron 303 (Polish) RAF

Posted on: 07:56:35 11/05/98

Message:

Well, we're been over this great many times. You ask why people fly it ? Cause it's easy to fly. But that doesn't apply to Spit 14. There is a wrong opinion that anyone can fly a spifire well. In my own experiance, most of the spitfire pilots you will meet have no idea how to use it properly. They go into a T&B mode right after the first pass.

There was times when P38L was the king of main. Then Fw 190D-9. 2.1 introduced F4U-4D ( which by the way you will barely see in MA those days ) New champion is Spitfire 14. But it's not as dominating as it used to be. Spitfire 14 can be beaten many ways. I think Imol finally found a good balance for the end of the war RPS.

: Also, I have noticed after 2 years of flying WB: that a majority of people

What are you talking about ? Spits pilots call people chicken ? Could you stereotype some more ? Boom and zoom against Fw 190D ? I don't think you flew Spitfires quite enough. Until Spit 14 is introduced ( and mind you it's quite late ) Spitfire 5 is grosly outclassed by 109F and 190's. Almost same goes for Spit 9 and P 51D, Me 109K and Fw 190D. For many years now Spitfire 9 which was introduced in 1942, was the latest Spitfire you could fly in 1945. I think this is where this whole "Bad Spitfire Bad " starts. Did you have a problem flying P 47D against Spitfires 9's ? With 40Mph adventage ? Same for some of the LW guys who get really loud about Spit14 - was that "fair" to kill Spits 9's in 109K and 190D ? Hell, P51 with almost 50 MPH adventage - same thing......

: In a BOOK by RICHARD S Johnson, one of the leading P47 aces of

As for the Johnson argument - which has been used here quite a bit, "it's a pilot not machine that matters". Good pilot will kill bad pilot regardless of the plane used. As for the "Runner" thing, I have no idea who called you a runner. I've never seen it happend. I thought it sometimes, but it's silly to call people shit like that. Genralisation that "Spitfire pilots do it" is even worst.

You wrote that you like to fly other plane, great, hope you enjoy them. But, please, spear us this old song, which have been sung here so many times - "please love me cause I fly underprivilaged planes". Lot of WB pilot seem to feel that flying different plane - or inferior plane - makes them special and that they should be publiscly thanked and followed. Well, sorry, won't happend. I flew Spits 9's against end-war planes before 2.1 - and never asked for anyone's admiration. Want a challenge ? Fly a Spitfire 9 against a good pilot in Ki84 or P51. Fly it against Me 109K or Fw 190D.

: Anyway, Sorry to go on like that. I like all the aircraft in WB and I try to

I fly all the aircraft of WB, as the saying goes "know thy enemy". With exception of P51 I found all the American planes to be crude and unredefined. Lacking vision and sophisticaton of design. German planes are work of advenced technology, far ahead of everyone else. Designed by experts for experts. Russian planes, simple and ingenious in thier simplicity. Japanese planes, lacking a long term vision and consern for a pilot. And Spitfires - all around excellency in design. Pure beauty of the skies. Perfect combination of different atributes.

: In closing, I like and LOVE the SPIT. Could someone please explain to me WHY so many people fly it?? IMOL has worked very very hard to provide us with a variety of aircraft to meet the demands but in the end its the Stangs, Doras, and mainly the SPITS that get flown. I think there is too many version of the SPIT and those British slots could of been givin up for the TYpHoon or TEMPEST...hell what about the Lancaster.

Thrust me, if there is one thing that will give you a headache - it's a Tempest. Imagine this - plane that is faster then any on the deck - that includes 190's. 4 20mm cannons - and we're talking high velocity ones :) Plane that climbs like a rocket, and turns decently ( better then 190 and probably 51 ) . Can you imagine the arena then ?

: WEll my 2 bits.

: NO Slam on Spit pilots, I just dont see why so many fly it and would like to know more?

So slam on the spit pilot, you accuse us of having to manners, calling people "runners". You say we fly unchallenging plane. Sounds like a slam to me.

Sorry for being little rough. I haven't had my morning coffee yet :)

fd-ski

S/L Squadron 303 (Polish) "Kosciuszko" RAF

Posted by: =Gryf=, CO Rogue Gryffons

Posted on: 09:59:37 11/05/98

Message:

: I fly all the aircraft of WB, as the saying goes "know thy enemy". With exception of P51 I found all the American planes to be crude and unredefined. Lacking vision and sophisticaton of design. German planes are work of advenced technology, far ahead of everyone else. Designed by experts for experts. Russian planes, simple and ingenious in thier simplicity. Japanese planes, lacking a long term vision and consern for a pilot. And Spitfires - all around excellency in design. Pure beauty of the skies. Perfect combination of different atributes.

Fd, pass me whatever drugs you are taking. I just have to gain the right frame of mind to see what you are saying, and perhaps, even kind of agree with them. I seem to remember a few guys on the other side of the channel that thought along these lines too (VBG).

Your all around excellency of design *HAS* to include the pilot. Who else but a perfect pilot could stay in a fight for any amount of time with the ammo load the Spit took into combat.

I mean, I dig the Spitfire, I recommend it to every new pilot. It's forgiving qualities in flight make it an ideal choice. But comon... Perfect? ROFL. I guess I just don't get a woodie everytime I see one.

Just *MY* opinion of Course :)

=Gryf=

Posted by: lazs

Posted on: 08:56:52 11/05/98

Message: : I fly all the aircraft of WB, as the saying goes "know thy

my take is that U.S. planes were far from "lacking in vision". The only planes with range and durability in the war. Also the only real usefull fighter bombers. Very much ahead of their time.

Also best carrier planes and best radial engines and most sophisticated superchargers/turbochargers. Also best wing designs. German planes? Very advanced, until '42. Short ranged, short sighted and long in the tooth. fragile. Either poor visibility in a '30's airframe or short ranged, clumsy and low alt in a decent airframe. The Russians? really good low alt planes. No frills. perfectly designed for the job at hand. Very good against the 30's high alt. 109's and clumsy FW's. Japaneses planes? Again, big techno leap at first with no follow through. Worst planes for pilot survival. Guarenteed long term losers. No pilots no airforce. Make em survivable and they become target drones for U.S. iron. British planes? Some of the best and some of the worst. Mix of Lucas like bumbling and meteor like briliance. Spits the best all around of the bunch. Probably the best field defense plane around but out of the war as ranges increased. "Versitile airframe" euphemism for "long in the tooth" as the war went on. Short ranged with No real fighter bomber capability and no way to fix either problem.

lazs

Posted by: Strider 417

Posted on: 09:51:48 11/05/98

Message: A little off IMHO

: my take is that U.S. planes were far from "lacking in vision". The only planes with range and durability in the war.

This is true

Very much ahead of their time. Also best carrier planes and best radial engines and most sophisticated superchargers/turbochargers.

Thought the merlin in the spit 9 had and astounding supercharger?

Also best wing designs. German planes? Very advanced, until '42. Short ranged, short sighted and long in the tooth. fragile. Either poor visibility in a '30's airframe or short ranged, clumsy and low alt in a decent airframe. The Russians? really good low alt planes. No frills. perfectly designed for the job at hand. Very good against the 30's high alt. 109's and clumsy FW's. Japaneses planes? Again, big techno leap at first with no follow through. Worst planes for pilot survival. Guarenteed long term losers. No pilots no airforce. Make em survivable and they become target drones for U.S. iron. British planes? Some of the best and some of the worst. Mix of Lucas like bumbling and meteor like briliance. Spits the best all around of the bunch. Probably the best field defense plane around but out of the war as ranges increased.

No, the spit was used as a "tactical" fighter after D-Day, following the advance of the allies accross the continent. They were VERY much in the war.

"Versitile airframe" euphemism for "long in the tooth" as the war went on. Short ranged with No real fighter bomber capability and no way to fix either problem.

I think what we are discussing here is how each nation designed its airframes to do different jobs.

The americans, after a lot of early failures, built fighters to do the job of a long range strategic escort fighter.

---can you imagine a P47 in the role of tactical fighter, taking off from field 2 miles from the front 2 days after D-Day? I think thats a spits job....

The brits #1 priority was defense of the island. The spit is built with that in mind, sacrificing range only to meet that role. The brits also believed bombeing was a task done at night and here, their had the best nocturnal fighter of the war in the mossie to do the escort job:)

The development of a/c really boils down to what the builder designs it to do.

Posted by: o-o-o- XO Fourth Fighter Group

Posted on: 10:32:49 11/05/98

Message: : ---can you imagine a P47 in the role of tactical fighter, taking off from field 2 miles from the front 2 days after D-Day? I think thats a spits job....

No, but I can see the P47 loitering 15-20 miles behind the front as an "Alert One" tactical support force (and doing that job far better than the Spit, P38, or P51 could ever do)

Posted by: -mako-

Posted on: 05:29:08 11/05/98

Message: Reasons I fly the Spit most

1. I'm relativly new to game (about 4-5months)

and the spit is the one of the most versitile planes avail. not great at many but good at all.

2. In the strong BnZ planes i tend to lose control more often. They dont seem to be as forgiving in spins and such.

3. Not as fragile as zeke or ki not as hard to see out of as american iron

4. each rps i try new planes and i am getting to be a better pilot with all the help from veterans and all but, when i need ity bad i go back to my spit ride for the reasons mentioned above.

5. Kudos to all my fellow pilots of WB. If not for this great game what would we all do with our time

Have a great day all

mako out

Posted by: Hacker

Posted on: 02:50:00 11/05/98

Message:

: Just wondering why so many people fly the SPIT in WB arena?? I mean,

That is why. It is a "very stable and easy machine to fly"; at least the Spit I,V, and IX are. The Spit XIV (IMHO) falls somewhere in between the skill level need to fly a Spit IX and say a F4u-x. Human nature being what it is you go the easiest route first until you feel you know what you are doing and then move on. The Spit (and to a slightly lesser extent, the Ki-84) can do every thing well. The Spit also lets you indulge the natural tendency to TnB with a target that just attacked you. Again, human nature.

I fly the Spitfires mostly in part due to a bug in my PnP BIOS involving my gameport and/or Dial-up Networking which results in a big performance decrease (stability) of any planes I fly. I have flown for extended periods of time the Bf-109E and F4u-1D with some limited success Bnz'ing; However, with this system bug it was more trouble than it was worth. But yes, it is one of the easier planes to fly; the Ki-84 and P-38L are also quite user friendly.

What you are seeing is only to be expected. In the HA last weekend the vast majority on the Allied side where P-38Js and Ls. Nary a P-40 to be seen I flew a P-38L for most of the evening there (I did take a '40 up for 2 sorties early in the day and managed to get one kill). On the IJN side, the Ki-84 was king. You saw a zeke about every 7 or so enemy planes.

: Also, I have noticed after 2 years of flying WB: that a majority of people

They are trying to goad you into doing something silly. Ignore them. However extending in a fast plane is an relatively low skill way to escape a situation. If one tends to call a Spitfire pilot a "dweeb" for flying it because it is so easy to maneuver, expect to be called a "dweeb" if you fly a fast plane that can get you out of a situation quickly.

: In a BOOK by RICHARD S Johnson, one of the leading P47 aces of

Again, they are trying to bait you.

: Anyway, Sorry to go on like that. I like all the aircraft in WB and I try to

You see the same phenomena in the HA. See above for my experience in the HA last weekend. In the present HA Allied Plane set I expect to see a lot of Yak-9s with its slightly superior speed, superior climb rate, horizontal turn, roughly equal roll rate, better fire power (discounting the hard to aim 37mm the P-39 has), and unmatched six-view. The experts and experimenters will be in the '39.

: In closing, I like and LOVE the SPIT. Could someone please explain to me WHY so many people fly it??

See above explanations.

: IMOL has worked very very hard to provide us with a variety of aircraft

People are spending $2.00 (and a lot more in some cases taking into account different nations phone rates, long distance calls, ISP rates and currency exchange rates) and some people don't have the financial wherewithal to spend 4 hours a night almost every night that some do. They want to kill and kill quickly.

: I think there is too many version of the SPIT and those British slots coul

That is another thing. The Spit is the only plane that is present form the begining of the RPS to the end. Yes, there are 4 different flavors of Spits in the latter RPS, That Spit on your tail could be a V, IX or XIV (very few Mk Is I would think). That is at least four to tailor to your needs: If you are defending a base and strictly TnB go with the Spit I; If you want to mostly TnB use the V; if you want to mostly BnZ, use the XIV; if you want to do a little of both in equal measure go with the IX.

: WEll my 2 bits.

See above. May your fights be warp-free.

--->-hack-

Posted by: =Gryf=, CO Rogue Gryffons

Posted on: 10:21:32 11/05/98

Message:

: They are trying to goad you into doing something silly. Ignore them.

Ok, what would be a "High Skill" way of dealing with this engagement? I am quite curious to see how a Pro does it.

Personally I teach any student I get that to stay alive you have to stay out of the guns of the enemy plane. He can't shoot you, he cannot kill you. One way to do this is to stay beyond his gunnery range. BnZ tactics dictate you have to stay fast, extend and get back at him. I am very curious what high skills you need (Besides a one pass kill) to fight in, well, say a F4U-1D and not exetned useing superior speed to stay alive.

I certainly hope I am not *THAT* low skilled a pilot as too be teaching a completely eroneous way of fighting.

=Gryf=

Posted by: Hacker

Posted on: 14:47:16 11/05/98

Message: :

: Ok, what would be a "High Skill" way of dealing with this engagement? I am quite curious to see how a Pro does it.

Don't take me wrong. I have nothing against a P-51 or a FW-190 or a F4u-x or even a Spitfire XIV using there superior dive and/or level speed to extend from a situation. I was just pointing out that it is an easy way to get out of a bad situation in it just like it is fairly "low skill" and easy way to get out of a bad situation using the 109, Ki-84, Spitfire and P-38s climbing ability. People call other pilots "dweeb" when their opponents use the natural ability of their planes against them. It is a very misused term. The only time I use it is in retaliation when they try to say that it takes almost no skill to fly the Spit and then imply that it takes a Doctorate to fly whatever their favorite plane is. I have never claimed to be a pro, never implied that I was. It is the ones who fling the "D" word around that imply that they are. That was my point.

I'm hardly a "Pro" but a "High Skill" way I would guess is to get into a scissors and "force" the opponent to out in front of you. Quite dangerous in that an enemy can get a snapshot off especially if it is a FW or a Hurricane II or a Bf-110G behind you. God knows I have overshot many a 190 and died in that situation often. But I have also induced overshoots myself and killed the enemy. :-) The safer (and by implication easier) way would be to dive if you have alt from a slower and low wing loaded plane.

: I certainly hope I am not *THAT* low skilled a pilot as too be teaching a completely eroneous way of fighting.

: =Gryf=

Again, I am not disputing a single word you just said. A pilot would be either a fool or highly skilled to do other wise. That is why I said "They are trying to goad you into doing something silly. Ignore them." I have BnZ many a Zeke and P-40 in my Spitfire IX using the same extend and come back tactics using my superior top end speed. If I was pretty much alone with my prey that is, if he has company I usually run like a FW myself. :-) Just expect to be called a dweeb if you do it. Either he his trying to get your goat or means it but doesn't know what he his taking about. It is one of those words that people throw around unthinkingly.

To make my point clear. There are those who "have no respect" for Spitfire pilots because it is a relatively easy plane to fly and survive in. By that logic a P-40 pilot should "have no respect" for a P-51 pilot because a 51 is an easier plane to fly and survive in relative to the P-40. I am saying all this is a fallacy as any trip to the HA shows. Most people will fly the easiest plane available. In the MA it is the Spitfire. In the HA it happens to be the easiest plane available. The Yak-9 this week (IMHO), the P-38 and Ki-84 last week, the P-40 and American iron in general during a previous PTO. If you had a HA with only the P-47D and the Fw-190A4 available guess which plane most people would gravitate to?

If you were to neuter the Spit the next plane in line most would fly (IMHO) would be the 109E/F and 190A4 early and mid war and the Ki-84 late war. "Fix" the Ki-84 it and I would bet you will see a resurgence in P-38L use. So complaining about it is futile was my point.

May your fights be warp free.

---->-hack-

Correction: The Bf-109 series also appears from the very begining of the RPS (109E) to the end (109K)

Posted by: F/L --Rf-a Squadron 303 (Polish) RAF

Posted on: 02:08:29 11/05/98

Message:

I assume you are talking about the MA. Most new people fly in the MA and they like the spit becasue it is easy to fly. A lot of other people (both new and WB veterans) like it because they enjoy flying RAF types (like me). It is very simple.

If the 109 was easy to fly, I bet you would have 75% of the area flying it - 50% new or inexperinced guys + 25% hardcore LW guys (like ik :))

Now you tell a new guy to fly something difficult. Tell him this: Sure, you might die fast and not kill anything, but you won't be a dweeb. ...lets see what his response might be, ok? I imagine it will go something like this: Gimme a Spitfire! :) - and there is nothing wrong with that. They pay good money to be online and it is understandable that they want to do the fast they can. Spitfires give them this chance.

My advice is this: If you have a problem seeing too many spitters, forget the MA and head on over to the HA - where the big boys play. :)

just my 2c

Jack Szarkowski

F/L --Rf-a Squadron 303 (Polish) RAF

PS- off topic, but thought I might mention this: I feel your pain Jug. :( THe P-47 is not nearly as good of a fighter plane as it was in WWII. In my opinion, the WB 47 is waaaayyyyy to sluggish. From what I read, it's roll/turnrate/manvrblty was close to that of the P-38.

Posted by: Topcat

Posted on: 02:00:19 11/05/98

Message:

(Snip alot of interesting points)

: NO Slam on Spit pilots,

hehe, well, there might have been just a *little* slam there?

: I just dont see why so many fly it and would like to know more?

The obvious reason why so many pilots fly it is because it is easy to fly. It lets you try both b&z and t&b without having to learn a new aircraft, and is very forgiving of mistakes (eg if you blow all your e you can still put up a good show in a turnfight). It's also available (and competative) all through the RPS.

There is a mix of reasons why I fly it. Partly because of the above reasons, but also because there are few British fighter aircraft available for me to choose from. I fly the Hurri too, particularly at the start of the RPS, but it's madness to fly it through the entire 3-week schedule (unless you're trying to prove a point to yourself). The Mossie has just come out (yippee!) and I'll be trying to learn how to fly that aircraft too, but it's a long time before it becomes available in the RPS and I don't think it's the type of aircraft I'll be choosing for the majority of my flights.

And before you say it, yes the British flew most of the US aircraft too, and I am slowly moving towards the P51 and others, but (for me) it's just not the same flying an aircraft with US markings. I also sometimes fly the German aircraft (know your enemy!) but my first love is, and will remain, the Spit (Spit 1 particularly).

Posted by: F/L --Rf-a Squadron 303 (Polish) RAF

Posted on: 02:14:17 11/05/98

Message:

:I am slowly moving towards the P51 and others, but (for me) it's just not the same flying an aircraft with US markings.

CC, very true Topcat. My dream is to fly a Mustang MkIII coded PK-G in WB. ahhhhh. :)

Jack Szarkowski

--Rf-a F/L Squadron 303 (Polish) RAF