Posted by: ik Jadgeschwader 77

Message:

Every once in a while, i'll be diving down on a lower plane, often even straight down after a stall, then the guy below me points his nose straight up and HO's me! YIKES! Ah well, makes for a lot of collisions, is a truly insane tactic, but i guess it's valid and it scares the tar outta me whenver that happens. Is this to prevent me from zooming back up after a guns pass?

Ironically, today i was flying a p40b in the HA, was diving on a 110 from almost straight above, and he went vertical to try to ho me!

ik

Posted by: Jekyll - RAAF Squadron

Message: Well ik, it seems to me that if you are diving on an enemy from directly above.. going vertical is the only move he can make with any kind of hope of survival.

1. If he tries to turn out of your way you could roll onto his new vector and kill him,

2. If he tries to dive away you can probably catch him since you're starting with an altitude advantage,

3. But if he goes pure vertical he has the chance to force you to vertically overshoot and obtain the altitude/energy advantage.

It may seem like a dweebish HO move, but it's probably the best move he could make in that position!

Posted by: Daff

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Well, whaddya expect?? should we fly straight & level so you can shoot us down easily?

I use it alot, but I rarely collide and often even dont shoot, for the same reason, I always try to keep my E high enough to allow me to go vert.

It serves 2 reasons...I make my profile a lot smaller AND present a threat to you.

Against, I do the same as Bmbm..break off early and watch the stall out :)

Daff Screamin' Blue Messiahs

Posted by: -bmbm-, CO RSAF

Message:

This inane tactic is an effect of people going after the icon rather than the plane, without assessing energy status. It IS valid if the defender has a high energy status though. When I'm fairly sure that the bandit below is aware of my attack and either already in his climb or just starting to point up, I usually break off the attack and switch to rope-a-dope tactics. Works a lot better than a vertical HO.

There seems to have been a great influx of rookies lately. Lots of names I've never seen before. Resulting in lots of headons.

BB, out

Posted by: funked =925 CABS=

Message: I do it sometimes ik, not neccesarily to get a shot off though. By pointing his nose at you, the low fighter removes your position advantage and makes overshoot inevitable. A lot of times the high fighter will go wizzing by, then pull max load factor and bleed E trying to get back up. If the low fighter is a Yak3 or something, he will still have enough E after his zoom to maneuver sufficiently while increasing E.

But if the high fighter recognizes the low fighter's zoom quick enough, he can head back up and wait for the sucker to get slow and sluggish, and set up for a nice planform shot as the zoomer stalls.

Or if he's in a Spit, he can just pull on the stick until the enema enters the gunsight...

funked

Posted by: Baal, 401 RCAF Rams

Message:

Hiya Ik,

One of Baal's secrets... when he points his nose straight up at you, level out for a few seconds while watching him from D10-15 above. I go into a tight breaking turn myself. As soon as he begins to stall out, complete the dive back down on him for an easy kill every time, no collisions, no danger.

Baal

Posted by: ik Jagdgeschwader 77

Message: : Hiya Ik,

: One of Baal's secrets... when he points his nose straight up at you, level out for a few seconds while watching him from D10-15 above. I go into a tight breaking turn myself. As soon as he begins to stall out, complete the dive back down on him for an easy kill every time, no collisions, no danger.

: Baal

But in the HA, and with 640 res, it's often too hard to see it coming until too late.

ik

Posted by: \_Dago_/

Message: I would rather point at the guy and shoot at him then turn and give him my 6, but when given a chance I will avoid the ho and try to get him into a turnfight. Sometimes I will go ahead and enter an HO just for shits and grins. I figure it takes 2 to HO and the other guy must wanna do it too.

Posted by: Rifle 401 Rams

Message: In keeping with the dictum that says put your up arrow on the bogey, when an nmy is diving at me I try to present a poor shot not necessarily or intentionally an HO shot.

Could 'lag' be responsible for you seeing more HOs in that situation ?

Cheers,

Rifle

Not really, i observe this as tracers fly by me and i collide, or barely miss due to such an unexpected ho. nt - ik Jagdgeschwader 77