posted 07 May 2002 04:40 PM         

After hearing of Paul Ormonde's injury and consultation with On the Border who is a Tipp optimnist supreme I am thinking of backing Clare to beat Tipp. Jesus if Ormonde, Carroll, O'Brien , O'Leary and Enright are out they will be really weakened. Declan Ryan is gone too.Witness the way Brian Corcoran's , Sean Og's and McCormack's absence weakened Cork last year.

posted 07 May 2002 04:52 PM         

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Originally posted by referee is back:
Lads,

After hearing of Paul Ormonde's injury and consultation with On the Border who is a Tipp optimnist supreme I am thinking of backing Clare to beat Tipp. Jesus if Ormonde, Carroll, O'Brien , O'Leary and Enright are out they will be really weakened. Declan Ryan is gone too.Witness the way Brian Corcoran's , Sean Og's and McCormack's absence weakened Cork last year.

Jesus Clare only lost by a point last year with only 2 forwards making a shape. 3 or 4 of their forwards could not be as bad again and if Clare were as bad as they looked against Limerick then I reckon Laois would beat them. For this reason I believe Clare were big time shadow boxing against Limerick and if I get 3/1 I will back them againat Tipp

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It seems that o'Brien will be OK...Ormonde & Enright are definitely out...Carroll & O'Leary are doubtful...

these injuries will make it a tighter game no doubt...if Carroll especially is not fit then we have a gaping hole in the middle of out attack, one that cannot be filled without a bit of shuffling, ie Dunne or O'Meara to no 11, but who to replace them???

A plus is that our half-back line is fit and well and if they play like they did last year we will win...

Clare are worth a punt but I'd still fancy us to do it...

posted 07 May 2002 04:52 PM         

If I got 3's on Waterford over Cork I'd also grab it. Not overly impressed with Cork (or us if I am being truly honest!).

posted 07 May 2002 05:00 PM         

I had a big sum on Longford to bt Louth at 2/1 last Sunday. Louth were 4/7 favourites. The feckers Louth pulled back a 7 pt lead in the final quarter. Gutted I was

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Originally posted by LORY1:
Yeh Ref and if you get 3's, get me on as well.
With Tipps injuries I'd be surprised if you'll do better than 2's.

If I got 3's on Waterford over Cork I'd also grab it. Not overly impressed with Cork (or us if I am being truly honest!).

Also if I got 10's Wexford over Kilkenny
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On 2nd thoughts, NAH!

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posted 07 May 2002 06:07 PM         

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Originally posted by Colombia:
Orion must be loving this topic. Seriously though this could mean that Tipp will have a full back line of Tom Costelloe, Philip Maher and Donncha Fahey playing against Clare. That scares the bejasus out of me as I have no faith whatsoever in either Fahey or Costelloe. David Forde will destroy whichever one he's marking - we'll need another Man of the Match display from Philip Maher again.

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What are the chances of Devane getting a game @ corner back???? I think he has a good chance of making it now...

posted 08 May 2002 10:05 AM         

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Originally posted by orion:
Even if Tipp had a full side, I would expect Clare to beat them. I can't see our forwards being as bad again. However, our league form was disappointing ( don't know why Lyons wanted to play senior players who were going through the motions a lot of the time ), and there is supposed to be unrest in the camp ( according to the Champion ), so with Tipp's injuries there is an uncertainty hanging over this one. I expect our senior players to step up and our forwards to come through....so Clare to win by a few points.

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Orion..

I would normally be the last to critisize anyone for being optimistic about their team...in fact I would admire it.

But..your sense of blind optimism..while ignoring every bit of evidence to the contrary is now absolutely ridiculous.

Facts:

Clare's last competitive game they were destroyed..no evidence whatsoever that your key players are up for it..no evidence whatsoever that your new players are up to standard..no evidence whatsoever that Lyons is a good manager..strong rumours of busts up with management..injury problem for your best player.

And..you come out with you EXPECT Clare to beat a full strenght All Ireland Champions????

I would give Clare a chance because of Tipp's injury list..not because of Clare's form this year.

Your opinions no longer hold any credibility.

You are a fool.

posted 08 May 2002 10:25 AM         

Gunter, you are the Jean Marie Le Pen of ch.com.

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Your opinions no longer hold any credibility.

You are a fool.

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posted 08 May 2002 10:48 AM         

John Carroll played at wing back against Clare last year, in other words they beat Clare without their most effective centre-forward.
Sean McMahon played a blinder last year and Clare still couldn't win.
Clare had only 3 players who scored in last years game.
One of these (Jamesie) is an injury doubt.
Niall Gilligan has shown no sign of improving on last years performance.
Alan Markham has shown no sign of improving on last years performance.
Ollie Baker has shown no sign of even reaching the modest standard he reached this time last year.
Colin Lynch has shown no sign of improving on last years performance.

Other than this, Clare look impressive....

posted 08 May 2002 12:13 PM         

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Originally posted by clare fan:
So who made you God Gunter, your track record has consistently shown you to be the biggest reactionary on this site, just because Orion believes Clare will win and has given valid reasons for that doesnt make him a fool, or is it because you dont agree with him??

Gunter, you are the Jean Marie Le Pen of ch.com.

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Orion has not offered valid reasons for his opinion on a Clare victory.
He has most certainly NOT offered a valid reason why Clare would EXPECT to win against a FULL STRENGTH Tipperary team.

Call me a reactionary,pigeon hole me with a Racist Thug if you wish...you have proved to be a wishy washy two faced hypocritical tosser..so your opinion of me matters nothing.

posted 08 May 2002 01:58 PM         

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Originally posted by On the border:

What are the chances of Devane getting a game @ corner back???? I think he has a good chance of making it now...

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Devane suffered against Cork and certainly started very nervously but it's difficult to judge when nobody else seems to be trying and the other side are pouring through the gaps.

posted 08 May 2002 02:17 PM         

Jaysus if Gunther was from Tipperary he'd be more hated than Coreahln. The only reason why he is not pulled up about more of his comments is because he is from Limerick. I'd rather be "wishy-washy" and enjoy my hurling than be a miserable stick in the mud.

posted 08 May 2002 02:17 PM         

Jaysus if Gunther was from Tipperary he'd be more hated than Coreahln. The only reason why he is not pulled up about more of his comments is because he is from Limerick. I'd rather be "wishy-washy" and enjoy my hurling than be a miserable stick in the mud.

posted 08 May 2002 02:17 PM         

Jaysus if Gunther was from Tipperary he'd be more hated than Coreahln. The only reason why he is not pulled up about more of his comments is because he is from Limerick. I'd rather be "wishy-washy" and enjoy my hurling than be a miserable stick in the mud.

posted 08 May 2002 02:28 PM         

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Originally posted by bring back Dennis Corry:
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Jaysus if Gunther was from Tipperary he'd be more hated than Coreahln. The only reason why he is not pulled up about more of his comments is because he is from Limerick. I'd rather be "wishy-washy" and enjoy my hurling than be a miserable stick in the mud.

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posted 08 May 2002 03:01 PM         

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Originally posted by bring back Dennis Corry:
I'm getting sick to the teeth of Coreahln and Gunther requiring evidence everytime somebody expresses an opinion around here. Orion says he expects Clare to beat Tipp, fair enough. On the border expects Tipp to beat Clare, fair enough. What is wrong with expressing an opinion around here just out of having a gut feeling??? I expect Clare to beat Tipp myself, I've no scientific proof to back this up and I may be very wrong but I do believe that we will beat them.

Jaysus if Gunther was from Tipperary he'd be more hated than Coreahln. The only reason why he is not pulled up about more of his comments is because he is from Limerick. I'd rather be "wishy-washy" and enjoy my hurling than be a miserable stick in the mud.

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For your information... I do not "always require evidence for every opinion expresssed around here".

However..if someone is consistently expressing an opinion WITHOUT any evidence..then surely I am entitled to ask for it?

Furthermore...you must be a very sad case with your "hatred" remarks on myself and Corelahn.
For all the people whose opinion I disagree with on this forum..I do not "hate" anybody.
I have disagreed with Corelahn on many issues..and indeed do not like his style of debate...BUT...I admire him for having the courage to express his views,however unpopular..and generally against 5 or 6 people ready to go against him.

So Mr Wishy Washy,with your tolerant views as long as they suit you...take your hatred and Fcuk off somewhere else with it.

posted 08 May 2002 03:18 PM         

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Originally posted by Babs Keating's neighbour:
Reasons to be pessimistic;

John Carroll played at wing back against Clare last year, in other words they beat Clare without their most effective centre-forward.
Sean McMahon played a blinder last year and Clare still couldn't win.
Clare had only 3 players who scored in last years game.
One of these (Jamesie) is an injury doubt.
Niall Gilligan has shown no sign of improving on last years performance.
Alan Markham has shown no sign of improving on last years performance.
Ollie Baker has shown no sign of even reaching the modest standard he reached this time last year.
Colin Lynch has shown no sign of improving on last years performance.

Other than this, Clare look impressive....

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posted 08 May 2002 03:41 PM         

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Originally posted by roadtodamascus:

Devane suffered against Cork and certainly started very nervously but it's difficult to judge when nobody else seems to be trying and the other side are pouring through the gaps.

Donncha Fahey didn't play well when introduced against Kilkenny, spent a lot of time on the deck. I'd give Devane the nod ahead of him.

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posted 08 May 2002 03:49 PM         

However..if someone is consistently expressing an opinion WITHOUT any evidence..then surely I am entitled to ask for it?

Yes definately you are. However he doesn't have to give you evidence about something that is not an exact science. Jaysus he's just saying that he thinks Clare will beat Tipp. He does not deserve to be told that his opinions are no longer credible and that he is a fool. Get to f*ck out of here telling people that you don;t agree with that the are fools.

Furthermore...you must be a very sad case with your "hatred" remarks on myself and Corelahn.

I shouldn't have said "hate", dislike would have been more appropriate. I apologise

So Mr Wishy Washy,with your tolerant views as long as they suit you...

Tolerant yes, wishy washy no.

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posted 08 May 2002 04:25 PM         

Its so completely black and white with him its scary. Everything from Fintan O'Toole to Labour controlled boroughs in London are consistently dragged into the picture.

Orion was labelled a 'fool' for no reason, he should think himself lucky, generally the abuse is much fouler.

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Originally posted by GUNTHER:
For your information... I do not "always require evidence for every opinion expresssed around here".

However..if someone is consistently expressing an opinion WITHOUT any evidence..then surely I am entitled to ask for it?

Furthermore...you must be a very sad case with your "hatred" remarks on myself and Corelahn.
For all the people whose opinion I disagree with on this forum..I do not "hate" anybody.
I have disagreed with Corelahn on many issues..and indeed do not like his style of debate...BUT...I admire him for having the courage to express his views,however unpopular..and generally against 5 or 6 people ready to go against him.

So Mr Wishy Washy,with your tolerant views as long as they suit you...take your hatred and Fcuk off somewhere else with it.

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posted 08 May 2002 04:47 PM         

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Originally posted by On the border:
I suppose Benny Dunne is also an option for corner back, after doing well in the league thought at wing back not corner...

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I'd give ANYONE the nod instead of Fahey. If both he and Costelloe are playing then Philip Maher will be required to do ALL the clearing from the full-back line, as these two boys will hardly hit a clean ball between them. One of them we might get away with, certainly not both. I'm not sure if Benny Dunne is safe or tight enough for corner back - Devane would be better I think. Paul Curran was very unconvincing in the one match I saw him playing in (v Derry).

posted 08 May 2002 05:04 PM         

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Originally posted by orion:
Even if Tipp had a full side, I would expect Clare to beat them. I can't see our forwards being as bad again.

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posted 09 May 2002 01:15 AM         

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Originally posted by G.A.A. Supporter:
I expect the Tipperary team to play Clare will see Benny Dunne (or even Eamon Corcoran) at corner back.

Lads, leave orion alone. I personally, don't agree with all of his views, but they are his own. Who once said, "I don't agree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it."

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You have changed your tune from the times of badgerring myself for daring to express an opinion about a player from your county (that he was some way from being the best hurler in the country).

GUNTHER, you cannot surely judge Clare on their last competitive game after seeing the drubbing Limerick got last year from Clare prior to the Cork match (and wasn't there even less time between Limerick's matches between Clare and then Cork last year).

posted 09 May 2002 10:59 AM         

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Originally posted by orion:
my piece said " I expect our senior players to step up and our forwards to come through "......there is the explanation for my point of view.

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change expectation for hope and you have a reasonable statement.

posted 09 May 2002 11:36 AM         

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Originally posted by twiceasnice97:

Gunther, calling orion a fool is a bit like abusing a ten year old because he doesn`t understand algebra.
I believe the only way to support clare this year is to ignore the evidence and deal in blind faith. Any other plan will inevitably find me brooding over my pints and you surely wouldn`t wish that on me would you.

remember us v limerick and cork in `93 tipp in `94

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I take your point....

I have no problem with people who are upbeat about their county's chances...but expecting to beat Tipp on Orion's logic is ludicrous.

However..I should not have called him a fool...and certainly did not want to cause him any personal offence.

If he has taken offence (which,in fairness to the guy,I dont think he has..)..then I apologise.

posted 09 May 2002 12:13 PM         

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Originally posted by Laois Bhoy:
[B] You have changed your tune from the times of badgerring myself for daring to express an opinion about a player from your county (that he was some way from being the best hurler in the country).

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posted 09 May 2002 01:42 PM         

Orion,

I know you are an optimist but ye don't have 7 players that would walk onto any county side.

posted 07 May 2002 02:20 PM         

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Originally posted by G.A.A. Supporter:
Lads, leave orion alone. I personally, don't agree with all of his views, but they are his own. Who once said, "I don't agree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it."

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Wasn't that Larry Flint's lawyer, as played by Edward Norton in "The people vs Larry Flint"?

posted 07 May 2002 02:25 PM         

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Originally posted by orion:
Plus, I don't think Tipp will be as focused this year....last year everything went right for them.....lightning doesn't strike twice.

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