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David Trimble Senior Member Posts: 588 |
posted 17 October 2002 08:16 AM
  
The time has come for this imbecille to go, his extraordinary run of luck has come to an end, how many reasons do we need? john O'Shea not playing, Kevin fcuking Kilbane, the list is endless..Even his cronies in the jackeen media have turned on him, I wonder what that pr1ck Dervan thinks now? Clearly its time to go IP: Logged |
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road runner Senior Member Posts: 239 |
posted 17 October 2002 08:26 AM
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road runner Senior Member Posts: 239 |
posted 17 October 2002 08:33 AM
the sad thing we are now out of euro 2004 with it been on in portugal would have been idol for fans. if mc carthy does not go i do not think fai will sack him because they would have to pay him off and also hire a new manager with no relastic chance of qualifaction .i would say sky not to happy either will be not much viewing demand for remaining matches.also in a week the general public were let down by fai not showing match on rte was it appropiate for bertie to attend last night?. in one hand he was saying he was not happy what happend and in the other everything seemed fine. quote: IP: Logged |
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Glenomra Park Senior Member Posts: 379 |
posted 17 October 2002 09:04 AM
Did ye see Gary Breen's goal last nite and was it not the funniest thing ye ever saw!! Ball comes in from a cross. Breen pushes the defender. The ball hits off the defender and into the goals upon which Gary Breen turns around celebratin, hands in the air runnin around like a mad. Ahh stop twas gas. He's some gob****e... IP: Logged |
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Tidy Hurler Member Posts: 26 |
posted 17 October 2002 10:03 AM
They should sack McCarthy. Ireland will not even come second in the group if he stays. He will go at the end of the campaign anyway so it would make sense to change now and give a new manager a chance to blood his new players in competitive action and if things go well we could still qualify as runners up but if not at least we would have a settled side with a manger familiar to the players by the time the World Cup qualifiers start. And all this story about having to pay off Mick...sure cant they use some of the millions they got from Sky...the fai said they were using that money to develop the game in Ireland. I think a million quid spent getting rid of McCarthy would be money well spent for the future of Irish soccer. IP: Logged |
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maiguesider Senior Member Posts: 743 |
posted 17 October 2002 11:07 AM
quote: I THINK HE'S THE BEST THE FAI CAN AFFORD ; THEY CANT AFFORD TO SACK HIM ; THE BEST FANS IN THE WORLD WERE GREAT LAST NITE ; WHEN THERE IS NO SECTARIAN ABUSE WE GET THEM BOOING THEIR OWN ; OLE OLE OLE OLE IP: Logged |
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Aragorn Senior Member Posts: 179 |
posted 17 October 2002 08:00 PM
As my father always says "The Harps,Laois and Ireland".Forget about it lads..... IP: Logged |
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Banner Boy back home! Senior Member Posts: 633 |
posted 17 October 2002 08:04 PM
maiguesider, they could use some of the 7.5 millon they got from Sky to get rid of him! DT have your say,send a message to the FAI; IP: Logged |
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Arrigle Senior Member Posts: 238 |
posted 17 October 2002 10:28 PM
Lads, 'tis only an oul garrison game, end of the day... Fit only, really, in its cultural import, for b@lloxes like Eamonn Sweeney. Still and all, Mick 'Bacon Slicer' McCarthy must be the stupidest man in the world. And in very many senses. Football: repeatedly -- and still -- picking Kilbane, for instance (McCarthy clearly has a real problem with people who have -- unlike him -- succeeded at a big club: McGrath, Irwin, Keane, O'Shea...). Even more: not seeing the realities and jumping ship to a cushy berth in the Premiership after the summer. If we'd had Roy Keane on the field in the World Cup, we'd have been beaten by Brazil in the Final. Does anyone seriously think Keano would have left Spain off that pitch as winners? Would have let anyone off any pitch as winners, save Brazil? Keane is t-totally right: 'You'll never beat the Irish (except on penalties).' Big Mick is never to blame: the real sign of a true bluffer (as anyone who's ever been in any class of a dressingroom -- at whatever level -- can see). Not his fault: not seeing that Spain were down to 10 men. Not his fault: not seeing that Ian Harte was patently unfit to take a penalty. Not his fault: not offering leadership as to who should and should not take a penalty in the shootout (I admire 'Quinny', most of the time: but his failure to step up to the plate -- ahead of Kilbane, say -- is a big blot on his copybook). For me, the most horrifying bit in Keane's autobiography is nothing at all to do with the Saipan fiasco (you feel like saying the FAI couldn't organize a piss-up in a brothel -- then, you think: that doesn't quite mean what I want it to mean, in that particular context...). No, for me, the worst bit concerns the night Big Mick allegedly rousted Paul McGrath out of his bed at 8.30pm, insisting that he accompany the rest of the squad to a Bryan Adams concert -- "I'm gonna JUMP on yeeewwww...! I'm gonna jump on YEEEWWW...!" -- in the RDS, after McGrath had indicated that he wanted to pass, given the likely proximity of alcohol. Big Mick: not his fault that McGrath, when roused to the RDS, succumbed to alcohol's nearness. Big Mick: not his fault that McGrath, when he turned up the next morning, was very much the worse for wear. Big Mick: not his fault that Mr Paul McGrath had to be told that such wasn't good enough, after a Bryan Adams concert. Big Mick: not his fault that this episode had, understandably, to end McGrath's career. Big Mick: not his fault, the slicing negativities. Big Mick. Big. Mick. Big. Mick. IP: Logged |
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orion Senior Member Posts: 1154 |
posted 20 October 2002 02:01 PM
Strange...I remember a few months ago speaking of John O'Shea and that he should be brought to the World Cup and was lampbasted by a lot of people. What McCarthy should have done was tell the FAI that he was building a team for the next World Cup and then stick with his guns and play the younger players....that would have finished the whole Keane thing....he could have played: O'Shea, O'Brien ( Dunne )...McPhail, Healy, Reid, and hold onto a couple...Holland who is 29....maybe Carsley as a ball winner and then all this bull would have been over. I don't find fault with McCarthy over Keane ( who is the most overrated player of all time....a ball winner who passes the ball 5 yards....don't make me laugh re his " ability " ) but for picking idiotic teams and being tactically naive at this stage...he should know better. IP: Logged |
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Gladiator Senior Member Posts: 406 |
posted 20 October 2002 02:41 PM
I don't find fault with McCarthy over Keane ( who is the most overrated player of all time....a ball winner who passes the ball 5 yards....don't make me laugh re his " ability " ) but for picking idiotic teams and being tactically naive at this stage...he should know better. Will you just stop posting about Keane coz your just making a fool of yourself.An overrated player..(are you a shilling short)??!!Keane has been the driving force behind Manchester United for the last 5-6 years.As a midfielder he was reguarded as the best in the world when Manchester United won the European Cup!Remember that night in turin 2-0 down to Juve after 10 minutes,his goal sparked the revival. IP: Logged |
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Arrigle Senior Member Posts: 238 |
posted 20 October 2002 03:35 PM
quote: Orion, are you seriously trying to say that Lee Carsley is a better option than Roy Keane...? Fair play to you, if you are. Dat's fair singular. The fact that Keane doesn't go in for long passes is a substantial part of his greatness as a player. He has no notions of himself. You only have to look at how MU get on without him in the team to see his worth. Keane' role is a bit like a watermark in expensive paper: hard to see, but utterly vital to its quality. IP: Logged |
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Banner Boy back home! Senior Member Posts: 633 |
posted 20 October 2002 05:57 PM
 Orion,your having a laugh ain't ya?If he was so over overrated Ferguson would have sold him just like Jaap Stam because of all the controversy and hassle over his book.But as it is he's standing by him because he's his most important player and he'll admit that.It's kinda of double standards when you think about it,Stam gets sold because of his book and Fergie sticks by Keane.Utd and Ireland's record without Keane speaks for itself.Nearly every game Utd lost last year was when they were without Keane and look at Ireland's.; Since his last game in the green jersey we've played seven competitive games of which we've lost four,drawn two and won on against the worst team at the world cup.Without him we wouldn't even have got to the WC as he was man of the match on two or three games against the Dutch and Portugal.... IP: Logged |
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homeofhurling2 Member Posts: 18 |
posted 20 October 2002 10:40 PM
For all ye lads who believe the english tabloid crap re roy keane being the best midfielder in the world,two words for ye,zinedine zidane !!Roy is a class act,but in all fairness lads,zinedine zidane !! IP: Logged |
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TONYDORAN Senior Member Posts: 848 |
posted 21 October 2002 05:09 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by road runner: [B]the sad thing we are now out of euro 2004 with it been on in portugal would have been idol for fans. I think its a blessing in disguise for those half wits with no money or sense that follow the Irish team around. Should give people a chance to get the old domestic finances back in order after the madness of the Japan/Korea odyssey. Why is this bull**** even been discussed on this site?? I thought this site was meant to be a release from the tedium of soccer. IP: Logged |
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orion Senior Member Posts: 1154 |
posted 21 October 2002 09:59 PM
Keane is a ball winner and gives the ball to players who can play at Utd. I have no problem with that....the game has always needed those kinds of players. However, he is very limited in his ability to create. My point re Carsley is if Keane won't play under McCarthy and Ireland needs a ball winner stick Carsley in there. I keep hearing about Keane being the " best midfielder in the world "...yet, he got 1 vote in the voting for FIFA player of the year from the world's coaches last year. A lot of people here are blinded by the Man Utd effect on Ireland. And, again, McCarthy should be picking the younger players for the next World Cup...so what if Ireland does not qualify for Euro but you give: O'Shea, O'Brien, Dunne, Healy, McPhail, Reid, Morrison, Sadlier, and maybe one/two other younger players in the next couple of years, experience of international football. I would rather those younger players got the experience and then with the likes of Given, Carr, Finnan, Duff, Keane, Ireland could be serious contenders in 2006. IP: Logged |
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bigball smallball Member Posts: 20 |
posted 22 October 2002 02:39 AM
Orion you dumb ****.As usual you are showing your complete lack of knowledge in all things sport.Sure keane is not the most skillful player in the world but so what.He can do alot more than just tackle.Even if you dont think so he can pass the ball both short and long.He doesnt score many goals but when he does score they tend to be very important ones.Also when the going gets tough in a particular match thats when keane rises to the top.Examples.1)A couple of years ago in turin when he brought them to a european final on his own.2)In portugal in the qualifiers he was absolutely brilliant that night.Anyone that says different is only a begrudging clown.3)Last year when when they had to go to bayern munich and win.Score was one each.Keane got the united goal and it was a good goal as well.4)pracically every match he plays for united hes in the top three.Mentioning the world player of the year is such a load of crap.For ****s sake mr posh spice himself came second last year.He isnt even in the top 3 at united.If you want to talk overrated look in his direction.Any big important matches you wouldnt even know hes out there.So orion when it comes to keane keep your moronic views to yourself.by the way i dont think keane is the best midfielder in the world.That has to be zinedine zidane.I do think hes in the top two or three though.Another question for you orion.Do you still think t griffin is better than h shefflin?You really do have some funny and idiotic views on sport.Goodnight. IP: Logged |
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orion Senior Member Posts: 1154 |
posted 22 October 2002 07:47 AM
People like you are retards cos he happens to be Irish and plays for Man Utd. Ireland with Keane were outplayed home and away by Portugal and Holland. In fact, when Ireland played Holland away the Dutch had a second string team that still outplayed Ireland. Ireland has to look to the future....it is not Roy Keane but the likes of O'Shea, McPhail, O'Brien, Reid, Healy, Morrison plus Given, Carr, Finna, Duff, Keane. The team is very young but in 4 years time could be a very very good side. So, I fault McCarthy for not building a side for 4 years and blood these players now and let them play together. What has he to lose??? There are a host of midfielders that I would rate before Keane: Zinedane, Pablo Aimar, Luis Enrique, Edgar Davids, Ronaldinho. Granted the game does not give us: Sandor Mazzola, Gunter Netzer, Florian Albert, Jim Baxter, Joseph Masupost...but then again you probably don't even know who these players are. Yet, will tell me about football..... IP: Logged |
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Bannerman00 Senior Member Posts: 190 |
posted 22 October 2002 11:18 AM
Keane is the greatest player to ever come out of ireland. Look how we are doing without him at present and united are only a shadow of a team without him. As for Mick,hes a useless w@nker. his actions speak for themselves- 2-0 up against holland at the start of the wc campaign and we end up drawing 2-2.any serious manager would have been in a rage at letting a 2 goal lead slip no matter who you are playing.Mick?no, greatest moment ever. and how could he not notice the spanish had only 10 men in the 2nd round?childish mistake. and his persistance in sticking with players like kilbane,harte et all is finaily been proved to be a bad decision. Keane may be a hot head with a bad personality but his football brillance cannot be over looked. Bring him back as player manager and give us some hope of making portugal. By the way i hear Micks name mentioned with Villa today. Apparently Graham Taylors on dodgy ground after last nights defeat,Villas lowest attendance in 8 years. Wont last with deadly doug IP: Logged |
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Glenomra Park Senior Member Posts: 379 |
posted 22 October 2002 11:24 AM
quote: Yor dead right!! IP: Logged |
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On the border Senior Member Posts: 840 |
posted 22 October 2002 11:31 AM
quote: there is no guarantee that Keane will come back to play for Ireland in the event of McCarthy getting the bullet.....in fact I would think he would tell the FAI to shove it..he's 31 now and doesn't need the hassle of going around to sh1teholes like Albania and Georgia with nothing to play for.... While I disagree with Orions opinion of Keane, I think he is right in his view that a new manager might be better served if he concentrated on blooding young players in preparation for the next world cup...this might be better done without Keane because lets face it, he is 31 now, he will be 35 by the time the next major finals come around (if you assume as I do that we won't qualify for E2004), so what is to be gained by bringing him back when the manager should be looking for his replacement???? IP: Logged |
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bigball smallball Member Posts: 20 |
posted 22 October 2002 04:27 PM
Orion your some ****ing idiot.to suggest that the reason i think keane is one of the best is because he is irish shows people what a clown you really are.Anyone with eyes can see what a truly great player he is.I suppose even retaRDS AREentitled to their opinions.let me ask you this.why is it that almost everyone disagrees with nearly everything you say?is it that everyone else are wrong?your views on hurling border on the farcical.whether they are on jbm t griffin or the clare forwards in general there just plain stupid.and i dont care if your one of the more mature contributers on this site at 70years of age.it certainly hasnt made you any more wiser on sport.this is my last time responding to you on this as your not even worth the time or effort. IP: Logged |
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Glenomra Park Senior Member Posts: 379 |
posted 22 October 2002 04:34 PM
quote: Haey haey-finally somone to hit the nail on the head with Orion. You have described him down to a tee-as great a gobsh!te as you are ever to see!! IP: Logged |
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GUNTHER Senior Member Posts: 1138 |
posted 22 October 2002 04:55 PM
Orions credibility has been dismantled on more than one occasion on this site. I tend to completely ignore his ramblings now. IP: Logged |
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orion Senior Member Posts: 1154 |
posted 22 October 2002 06:06 PM
The qualifying rounds for the 2006 World Cup starts in less than 2 years time. Ireland has to blood the young players before then as the likes of Keane, Kinsella, Cunningham, Gary Kelly, Breen will be the wrong side of 30 and will be too old for 2006. That is why McCarthy should have set out his stall and go with the younger players. And, even if Keane does come back, I doubt if some of the other players will want to deal with his antics. Time to forget about both he and McCarthy now. Giles talks about making Keane the player/manager. Most of you would not remember this but Giles as a player/manager was a disaster. It is a pity as a great opportunity to build for the future is being wasted all around. IP: Logged |
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KK Cat1 Senior Member Posts: 89 |
posted 22 October 2002 06:32 PM
orion is showing everyone what a prize...A1...fcuking clown he is again. in 1999 keane ran the show against zidane and davids when utd played juventus. these were supposed to be the best 2 midfielders in the world. i dont like the guy and dont follow man utd, but hes a class act. urself and tomas de burco-boiler are 2 bitter fcukers. IP: Logged |
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orion Senior Member Posts: 1154 |
posted 22 October 2002 07:20 PM
In '98 Davids dragged Holland to the World Cup Semis practically on his own ( unlucky to lose out on penalties )....Zidane is a class act as a footballer: World Cup, Euro, and Champions League winner speaks for itself. Keane is a good ball winner and works very hard...but, he is very limited technically as a player....he admits that himself. Nothing wrong with that.....but, I for one don't get blinded for his limitations, unlike a lot of other people. IP: Logged |
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bigball smallball Member Posts: 20 |
posted 22 October 2002 09:59 PM
Orion even though i did say i wouldnt respond to you their is one final point.Edgar davids is exactly the same type of player as keaNE.good tackler and good passer of the ball and also never stops trying.there is a difference though.He scores less goals than keane does.so why dont you just go away and find some subject where you dont make a complete fool of yourself. IP: Logged |
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orion Senior Member Posts: 1154 |
posted 23 October 2002 12:17 AM
Davids has much better close control than Keane, and is well able to beat 2/3 players, something Keane never does. IP: Logged |
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bigball smallball Member Posts: 20 |
posted 23 October 2002 02:49 AM
orion all i can say is your some spa.when did davids ever beat even one player with the ball.You remind me of a little spoilt child.you always have to have the last word nmatter how stupid your aRGUMENT.i mean to davids beats 2 or3players even by your lofty standards is the most stupid thing youve SAID in a while.Are you taking the piss?you are arent you?please tell me you are. IP: Logged |
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orion Senior Member Posts: 1154 |
posted 23 October 2002 05:04 AM
You obviously have not seen Davids play much if that is your argument. I stand by my statement Keane is a limited player technically. I keep hearing about Keane playing his heart out against Juventus. Both he and Scoles did not play in the final and Utd still won. So, where does this argument go then??? Ireland played without him in the World Cup and played some of the best football I have ever seen them play. In fact, they outplayed all the teams they played and gave a wonderful performance against Spain. Granted, had McCarthy played Morrison and Reid greater things beckoned. A World Cup hangover was always on the cards. It is a pity that McCarthy did not go for the jugular and bring the young players on board and let them play together for the next two years so that when the World Cup qualifying starts in 2 years these players will be ready. As things stand now, a great opportunity is being lost. IP: Logged |
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wexford townie Member Posts: 39 |
posted 23 October 2002 11:17 AM
Have to agree with orion.If keane had gone to italy he would have improved technically .I can't see the merit of staying with utd and winning a league in february like 2 years ago.Liam brady maintains that italy added several years to his career.Its too late for him now caught up in a vortex of hate. IP: Logged |
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Bannerman00 Senior Member Posts: 190 |
posted 23 October 2002 02:35 PM
quote: im a utd supporter but ill admit tht was pure luck that won that final.true display of guts and a never say die attitude. two vital team needs in sport today IP: Logged |
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bigball smallball Member Posts: 20 |
posted 23 October 2002 11:10 PM
Orion my dear man let me explain something.while agreeing that keane is not the most skillful he has a host of other attributes which make up for this.alan hansen said he is the best player to play in england over the last 25 years.im not saying i agree with this but even a man of your short sightedness would have to agree that was an impressive statement.g souness cant think of a better player in the world.we wont even go into what a ferguson thinks.also did keane not get both players player of the year and fooball writers player of the year in the one year.could it be that all these knowledgeable people are wrong.i mean mr orion know it ****ing all must be right.dont you think its a bit much for a mere ball winner to so much accolades.as clint eastwood once said "opinions are like ass holes everyone has one' i think that fits you perfectly.
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orion Senior Member Posts: 1154 |
posted 24 October 2002 01:12 AM
You have the misguided notion that if Keane comes back to play for Ireland, that of all of a sudden, we are worldbeaters?? The future of Irish football rests with the Robbie Keanes, Duff's, O'Sheas etc., not some nutter who has vitriol seeping from his pores. It is time to forget about both Keane and McCarthy. However, if Keane does come back to play, you may see a lot of players not turning up to play as he has burned his bridges with a lot of players. IP: Logged |
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bigball smallball Member Posts: 20 |
posted 25 October 2002 08:06 PM
orion the simple fact is that ireland are a much better team with keane there.sure ireland looks to have great prospects with the players youy mention.as long as keane is a regular and is playing well he would give them something extra. did you see your hero davids got taken off in their loss to newcastle.it wasnt injury related either he was just crap.hard to imagine the same fate happening to keane against such a "great" team. IP: Logged |
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The Cup Member Posts: 16 |
posted 25 October 2002 08:17 PM
quote: Good point. His hatred of Roy Keane is boring at this stage. Keane could be the European Player of the Year and he would still be "a 5 yard passer". ZZZZzzzzzz.... IP: Logged |
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orion Senior Member Posts: 1154 |
posted 26 October 2002 07:04 PM
If you actually watch Keane play that is the safe option he always takes.....5/10 yards at most. European Player of the Year??? Since when has Keane even gotten a handful of votes??? Don't make me laugh... IP: Logged |
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bigball smallball Member Posts: 20 |
posted 28 October 2002 12:28 AM
orion=A spa IP: Logged |
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orion Senior Member Posts: 1154 |
posted 28 October 2002 05:30 PM
For all your mouthing off about Keane...fact of the matter is he was not missed during the World Cup. Ireland played the best football I have ever seen them play. A World Cup hangove was always on the cards. From '94 to 2002 Ireland ( with Keane ) failed to qualify for 3 major finals ( even in '90 when Ireland got to World Cup quarter finals we failed to qualify for Sweden '92 ) so it is not like we qualiy for ever finals. As I said, time to rebuild for the future...there are plenty of good young players who should be getting experience. Time to forget about both Keane and McCarthy now. IP: Logged |
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