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Les Battersby Senior Member Posts: 97 From: Registered: Apr 2003	posted 17 September 2003 08:52 AM Did any of yee hear Tom Ryan on RLO last night.The man went crasy.He was on bout the county board after shafting him which is probably true.He was saying some of the young fellas have no respect for the jersey. ie Drinking below in killarney 4 days before hurling qualifier. He said that he has all the backing of the senior clubs in limerick, but its the main men at the top who will get to choose the new man. Did any one hear him? Is Tom after shootin himself in the foot? IP: Logged
liam mac Senior Member Posts: 166 From:Limerick Registered: May 2003	posted 17 September 2003 09:12 AM I heard it all right Les. Was just about to post a new topic when I saw your post. He was fairly vocal at the whole situation. On about that the fellows who shafted him were the fellows who shafted Keane and will be the guys that will pick the next manager. He had a right go at Pat Fitzgerald and Jimmy Hartigan. “I’ve never seen that guy from Doon tog out. He could do with it now to lose a bit of weight!”. Hartigan he informed us was “nothing only a junior hurler”. “Those two couldn’t pick mushrooms in a field and they are picking the next county manager. And they’ll shaft him too.” He was also giving out about how the next managers will be picked but there is nothing you can do about it cause “you can’t dictate to dictators”. He then went on about his love for Limerick hurling and said he wouldn’t have tolerated players falling around the place in Killarney and playing in Thurles for Limerick a few nights later. The more I hear him talk the more I think we need him back. His record speaks for itself at county and club level. The only mistakes he made were in all Ireland finals. I would prefer a Limerick manager to make mistakes in the all Ireland final than to be making them in June. He probably is shooting himself in the foot but he is also gathering a lot of support for himself. As he said the county board want your money but not your opinion. A lot of genuine Limerick supporters would have been impressed by what he said last night. I’d love if they took him up on his offer of a debate on RLO but they’d never have the guts. IP: Logged
Silent Tbilisi Member Posts: 30 From:Dublin Registered: Sep 2003	posted 17 September 2003 09:16 AM . IP: Logged
Silent Tbilisi Member Posts: 30 From:Dublin Registered: Sep 2003	posted 17 September 2003 09:16 AM . IP: Logged
zanussi Senior Member Posts: 973 From:Thurles Registered: Jul 2002	posted 17 September 2003 09:17 AM Extraordinary stuff lads. Talk about talking yourself out of a job. They can't pick him no matter how good his record. Fair dues to him for rocking the boat and coming out with some home truths if that was his sole intention. IP: Logged
paulm Senior Member Posts: 558 From:Dublin Registered: Apr 2003	posted 17 September 2003 09:17 AM Tom Ryan is a genuine Limerick hurling man and a good coach. what he lacks is intelligence, as by the sounds of it he demonstrated yet again last nite. If he does get the job, a lot willl depend on his back room team selection, he wont take ye all the way on his own. IP: Logged
twiceasnice97 Senior Member Posts: 1634 From:high moral ground Registered: Jun 2001	posted 17 September 2003 09:23 AM how could you accuse ryan of making mistakes in the all irelands. the players were the ones who collapsed in `94. what the fcuk could ryan have done about that in `96 you could accuse him al right maybe but it just seemed to be wexfords year and sometimes that momentum just carries you on. it did for care in `95 and cork and tipp in `99 and 2001. it should also have done it for cork this year but they just didn`t have any leaders to grasp the nettle in the end. give setanta o halpin another two years on the team and he probably would have had it in him to push them over the finish line on the day but the chance might never come again. in `95 it was experienced players like sparrow, touhy and daly that made the crucial game changing moments go in clares favour. IP: Logged
paulm Senior Member Posts: 558 From:Dublin Registered: Apr 2003	posted 17 September 2003 09:30 AM "how could you accuse ryan of making mistakes in the all irelands." In the words of John McEnroe "You cannot be serious". Of course teams will slide, or come under periods of counter dominance,due to player collapse or whatever. This is when managere and selectors earn their salt. wrt '94 he could have 1. Taken off Joe OConnor, Billy Dooley finished physically shattered from hitting the ball over the bar in the last 5 mins, he never moved position and hit 3 points one after the other. 2. Instructed Joe Quaid to slow down his puck out, or instructed a player to go down injured to stop the unbelivably momentum offaly had going. 3. Not moved Ger Hegarty from CB to midfield 4. Pratised a drill in training for stopping '21 yards fress (which apparently they hadn't) And thats just a start IP: Logged
Tommy Tucker Senior Member Posts: 624 From:Limerick Registered: Jan 2002	posted 17 September 2003 09:46 AM quote: Originally posted by twiceasnice97: how could you accuse ryan of making mistakes in the all irelands. what the fcuk could ryan have done about that in `96 If he didn't get so thick about what Galligans father said then we would have had Mike playing and winning us a All Ireland, the man was flying that year and then over a silly argument with his father the player suffers and Limerick suffer. IP: Logged
WWW.ADAREGAA.COM Senior Member Posts: 67 From:Limerick Registered: May 2003	posted 17 September 2003 09:48 AM There isn't a hope in hell that Tom Ryan will get the Limerick job. Hard to say where they'll go from here. If you were an outsider would you even want the job after seeing the way they treated Dave Keane. The worst thing about it is the county board, who picked Dave Keane, admitted they got it wrong by sacking him and now the boys who picked the wrong manager get to pick the next one aswell. the madness has to stop. Someone has to be held accountable if the wrong manager is being picked all the time IP: Logged
Tommy Tucker Senior Member Posts: 624 From:Limerick Registered: Jan 2002	posted 17 September 2003 09:48 AM This story about a said player been on the piss below in Kilarney on the Sunday of the Munster final is total rubbish. FACT! IP: Logged
LimerickNomad Senior Member Posts: 3580 From:Athenry (via Cappamore) or limericknomad@hotmail.com Registered: Jun 2002	posted 17 September 2003 09:53 AM quote: Originally posted by paulm: Tom Ryan is a genuine Limerick hurling man and a good coach. what he lacks is intelligence, as by the sounds of it he demonstrated yet again last nite. If he does get the job, a lot willl depend on his back room team selection, he wont take ye all the way on his own. Perhaps he thinks he's in such a strong position that he can truthful with his opinions at this stage. It looks and feels like he's making a concerted run at the job and may be successful. If he has the clubs' support, I don't think anyone on the county board will be able to stop him in his tracks. I agree that the choice of his wingmen is vital for that final push towards the summit. Mahedy seems to have done a fine job the first time around. Why not again? I didn't rate his two selectors the first time around (Relihan and Savage). If he can bring in two heavyweights with him, I think he's in with an excellent chance of being the next Limerick manager. Counter opinions please? IP: Logged
LimerickNomad Senior Member Posts: 3580 From:Athenry (via Cappamore) or limericknomad@hotmail.com Registered: Jun 2002	posted 17 September 2003 09:56 AM quote: Originally posted by http://www.adaregaa.com:/ There isn't a hope in hell that Tom Ryan will get the Limerick job. Hard to say where they'll go from here. If you were an outsider would you even want the job after seeing the way they treated Dave Keane. The worst thing about it is the county board, who picked Dave Keane, admitted they got it wrong by sacking him and now the boys who picked the wrong manager get to pick the next one aswell. the madness has to stop. Someone has to be held accountable if the wrong manager is being picked all the time WAIT A FCUKING MINUTE! The county board didn't sack Keane, the clubs did, including the manager's own - by not voting with him, they voted against him - as well as the two selectors' home clubs? You/we can't have it both ways! Tom Ryan might be the only man thick enough to take on the job! IP: Logged
WWW.ADAREGAA.COM Senior Member Posts: 67 From:Limerick Registered: May 2003	posted 17 September 2003 10:04 AM quote: Originally posted by Tommy Tucker: This story about a said player been on the piss below in Kilarney on the Sunday of the Munster final is total rubbish. FACT! Saw the man with my own eyes down in Kilarney. Had to be carried in to the game. He wasn't on his own either. There was another senior player with him IP: Logged
WWW.ADAREGAA.COM Senior Member Posts: 67 From:Limerick Registered: May 2003	posted 17 September 2003 10:06 AM quote: Originally posted by LimerickNomad: WAIT A FCUKING MINUTE! The county board didn't sack Keane, the clubs did, including the manager's own - by not voting with him, they voted against him - as well as the two selectors' home clubs? You/we can't have it both ways! Tom Ryan might be the only man thick enough to take on the job! That still doesn't solve the problem that the county board picked the wrong man last time out, according to the clubs. Why should the men who **ed up get the chance to ** up again and again IP: Logged
LimerickNomad Senior Member Posts: 3580 From:Athenry (via Cappamore) or limericknomad@hotmail.com Registered: Jun 2002	posted 17 September 2003 10:11 AM quote: Originally posted by http://www.adaregaa.com:/ That still doesn't solve the problem that the county board picked the wrong man last time out, according to the clubs. Why should the men who **ed up get the chance to ** up again and again Are you saying that Keane was the wrong man in the first place? I didn't see much dissent when he was appointed last Autumn. Did you go on record at the time saying that it was a bad choice? If the county board/clubs don't appoint the new manager, then who should/can? No point saying there's a problem unless you are offering a solution? IP: Logged
WWW.ADAREGAA.COM Senior Member Posts: 67 From:Limerick Registered: May 2003	posted 17 September 2003 10:18 AM quote: Originally posted by LimerickNomad: Are you saying that Keane was the wrong man in the first place? I didn't see much dissent when he was appointed last Autumn. Did you go on record at the time saying that it was a bad choice? If the county board/clubs don't appoint the new manager, then who should/can? No point saying there's a problem unless you are offering a solution? Judging by the fact that he was ousted before his term was up and that he didn't get the backing of the coungty board it's pretty obvious that they thought he was the wrong man for the job. All these delegates should be got rid of. Most of these boy are too old to appreciate what goes on in modern sport. There has to be a smaller crew assembled and let them pick a manager. How you pick this crew i don't know but the present system is no good. A blind man could see that IP: Logged
Tommy Tucker Senior Member Posts: 624 From:Limerick Registered: Jan 2002	posted 17 September 2003 10:27 AM quote: Originally posted by LimerickNomad: WAIT A FCUKING MINUTE! The county board didn't sack Keane, the clubs did, including the manager's own - by not voting with him, they voted against him - as well as the two selectors' home clubs? You/we can't have it both ways! Tom Ryan might be the only man thick enough to take on the job! As I have said in a earlier tread, Keane's own club DID back him !! IP: Logged
GUNTHER Senior Member Posts: 2010 From: Registered: Jun 2001	posted 17 September 2003 11:22 AM quote: Originally posted by liam mac: I heard it all right Les. Was just about to post a new topic when I saw your post. He was fairly vocal at the whole situation. On about that the fellows who shafted him were the fellows who shafted Keane and will be the guys that will pick the next manager. He had a right go at Pat Fitzgerald and Jimmy Hartigan. “I’ve never seen that guy from Doon tog out. He could do with it now to lose a bit of weight!”. Hartigan he informed us was “nothing only a junior hurler”. “Those two couldn’t pick mushrooms in a field and they are picking the next county manager. And they’ll shaft him too.” He was also giving out about how the next managers will be picked but there is nothing you can do about it cause “you can’t dictate to dictators”. He then went on about his love for Limerick hurling and said he wouldn’t have tolerated players falling around the place in Killarney and playing in Thurles for Limerick a few nights later. The more I hear him talk the more I think we need him back. His record speaks for itself at county and club level. The only mistakes he made were in all Ireland finals. I would prefer a Limerick manager to make mistakes in the all Ireland final than to be making them in June. He probably is shooting himself in the foot but he is also gathering a lot of support for himself. As he said the county board want your money but not your opinion. A lot of genuine Limerick supporters would have been impressed by what he said last night. I’d love if they took him up on his offer of a debate on RLO but they’d never have the guts. Liam, How in the name of God can you say you want him back after listening to this diatribe?? Can you not see how thick,bitter and ignorant he has become? -Commenting on Pat Fitzgerald's weight..absolutely pathetic...school playground stuff. Was Fitzgerald County board chairman when Ryan was sacked??..NO!....What's his problem? -Jimmy Hartigan...effecient and courteous County Secretary..and a CLUBMATE of Ryan...so much for loyalty! "Went on about his love for Limerick hurling"..my arse..he did the biggest hatchet job of all time on some of "his" players in an intervew with the Limerick Leader after the Cork defeat in 1998. The "COunty Board" did not "shaft" Dave Keane...he was voted out by democratically elected delegates by 61-18 at the recent meeting...Pat Fitz SUPPORTED the re appointment of Dave Keane. Ryan is also a hypocrite...he lambasts the management for "tolerating" the behaviour of players in Killarney...and then lambasts the County Board for "shafting" the Manager... CAN YOU NOT SEE AT THIS STAGE HOW THICK THIS FCUKER REALLY IS? He is failed Hurling Manager,a failed politician,a sad baxtard shouting from the rooftops on an illegal radio station..and basically a figure of farce. Why does he not run for County Board Chairman or secretary next year if he is so unhappy with democratically elected officers?...there is hardly a queue forming for these positions. Ryan is in a perfect position for mouthing all round him...he hasn't got a hope in hell of getting the job..so he can always come back with "I told you so" when/if the new Manager fcuks up next year. HE IS A PATHETIC KUNT,AND IT'S THE LIKES OF HIM **** STIRRING THAT IT WILL MAKE THE JOB EVEN MORE DIFFICULT NEXT YEAR. MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THIS...TOM RYAN WANTS LIMERICK HURLING TO FAIL SO HE CAN APPEAR JUSTIFIED...ANYONE WHO THINKS OTHERWISE IS DELUDING HIMSELF. I simply cannot believe that decent and genuine Limerick supporters like yourself and South limerick Ref would even contemplate putting this joker in charge. Fcuking eejit could end up in serious trouble if he continues to slander people like he did on the same show some weeks ago. Tom...Would you ever just FCUK OFF? IP: Logged
Volunteer Sean South Member Posts: 11 From:Garryowen, Limerick Registered: May 2003	posted 17 September 2003 11:34 AM Gunther, you are a complete fcuking boll1x. IP: Logged
maiguesider Senior Member Posts: 2743 From: Registered: Sep 2001	posted 17 September 2003 11:40 AM quote: Originally posted by GUNTHER: Liam, How in the name of God can you say you want him back after listening to this diatribe?? Can you not see how thick,bitter and ignorant he has become? -Commenting on Pat Fitzgerald's weight..absolutely pathetic...school playground stuff. Was Fitzgerald County board chairman when Ryan was sacked??..NO!....What's his problem? -Jimmy Hartigan...effecient and courteous County Secretary..and a CLUBMATE of Ryan...so much for loyalty! "Went on about his love for Limerick hurling"..my arse..he did the biggest hatchet job of all time on some of "his" players in an intervew with the Limerick Leader after the Cork defeat in 1998. The "COunty Board" did not "shaft" Dave Keane...he was voted out by democratically elected delegates by 61-18 at the recent meeting...Pat Fitz SUPPORTED the re appointment of Dave Keane. Ryan is also a hypocrite...he lambasts the management for "tolerating" the behaviour of players in Killarney...and then lambasts the County Board for "shafting" the Manager... CAN YOU NOT SEE AT THIS STAGE HOW THICK THIS FCUKER REALLY IS? He is failed Hurling Manager,a failed politician,a sad baxtard shouting from the rooftops on an illegal radio station..and basically a figure of farce. Why does he not run for County Board Chairman or secretary next year if he is so unhappy with democratically elected officers?...there is hardly a queue forming for these positions. Ryan is in a perfect position for mouthing all round him...he hasn't got a hope in hell of getting the job..so he can always come back with "I told you so" when/if the new Manager fcuks up next year. HE IS A PATHETIC KUNT,AND IT'S THE LIKES OF HIM **** STIRRING THAT IT WILL MAKE THE JOB EVEN MORE DIFFICULT NEXT YEAR. MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THIS...TOM RYAN WANTS LIMERICK HURLING TO FAIL SO HE CAN APPEAR JUSTIFIED...ANYONE WHO THINKS OTHERWISE IS DELUDING HIMSELF. I simply cannot believe that decent and genuine Limerick supporters like yourself and South limerick Ref would even contemplate putting this joker in charge. Fcuking eejit could end up in serious trouble if he continues to slander people like he did on the same show some weeks ago. Tom...Would you ever just FCUK OFF? gunther there is a correlation here ; ryan had a lot of goodwill in 1997 after sacking ; similar to George W .after 9/11 he has squandered this with rants ; The bottom line is dat he will not be our next Boss ; I mussay i am very disillusioned at the moment ; the club thing is now my main focus and I at present couldn't give a fcuk about the fortunes of the county team ; although come next March this will evaporate ; IP: Logged
SWEET73 Member Posts: 8 From:LIMERICK Registered: Sep 2003	posted 17 September 2003 11:46 AM A bit over d top Gunther he was a good manager and a little bit unlucky not to bring us d holy grail. Plus has a good track record at club level. IP: Logged
John Flavins Ghost Member Posts: 32 From:London Registered: Jul 2003	posted 17 September 2003 11:54 AM quote: Originally posted by GUNTHER: Liam, How in the name of God can you say you want him back after listening to this diatribe?? Can you not see how thick,bitter and ignorant he has become? -Commenting on Pat Fitzgerald's weight..absolutely pathetic...school playground stuff. Was Fitzgerald County board chairman when Ryan was sacked??..NO!....What's his problem? -Jimmy Hartigan...effecient and courteous County Secretary..and a CLUBMATE of Ryan...so much for loyalty! "Went on about his love for Limerick hurling"..my arse..he did the biggest hatchet job of all time on some of "his" players in an intervew with the Limerick Leader after the Cork defeat in 1998. The "COunty Board" did not "shaft" Dave Keane...he was voted out by democratically elected delegates by 61-18 at the recent meeting...Pat Fitz SUPPORTED the re appointment of Dave Keane. Ryan is also a hypocrite...he lambasts the management for "tolerating" the behaviour of players in Killarney...and then lambasts the County Board for "shafting" the Manager... CAN YOU NOT SEE AT THIS STAGE HOW THICK THIS FCUKER REALLY IS? He is failed Hurling Manager,a failed politician,a sad baxtard shouting from the rooftops on an illegal radio station..and basically a figure of farce. Why does he not run for County Board Chairman or secretary next year if he is so unhappy with democratically elected officers?...there is hardly a queue forming for these positions. Ryan is in a perfect position for mouthing all round him...he hasn't got a hope in hell of getting the job..so he can always come back with "I told you so" when/if the new Manager fcuks up next year. HE IS A PATHETIC KUNT,AND IT'S THE LIKES OF HIM **** STIRRING THAT IT WILL MAKE THE JOB EVEN MORE DIFFICULT NEXT YEAR. MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THIS...TOM RYAN WANTS LIMERICK HURLING TO FAIL SO HE CAN APPEAR JUSTIFIED...ANYONE WHO THINKS OTHERWISE IS DELUDING HIMSELF. I simply cannot believe that decent and genuine Limerick supporters like yourself and South limerick Ref would even contemplate putting this joker in charge. Fcuking eejit could end up in serious trouble if he continues to slander people like he did on the same show some weeks ago. Tom...Would you ever just FCUK OFF? Gunther, Get a grip, Tom Ryan is hardly a failed Manager, look at his track record, brought limerick from nowhere to two allIreland finals, took newtown to the cork county final last year, etc. etc. he may not be the most diplomatic person in the world and he may not be the best choice to manage Limerick but the abuse you've juse laid on him is most certainly undeserved. Do you even know the man? IP: Logged
GUNTHER Senior Member Posts: 2010 From: Registered: Jun 2001	posted 17 September 2003 12:10 PM quote: Originally posted by John Flavins Ghost: Gunther, Get a grip, Tom Ryan is hardly a failed Manager, look at his track record, brought limerick from nowhere to two allIreland finals, took newtown to the cork county final last year, etc. etc. he may not be the most diplomatic person in the world and he may not be the best choice to manage Limerick but the abuse you've juse laid on him is most certainly undeserved. Do you even know the man? John, The abuse that Ryan dishes out is also undeserved. When he stoops to passing comments about somebody's appearance ...he is crossing the line. IP: Logged
GUNTHER Senior Member Posts: 2010 From: Registered: Jun 2001	posted 17 September 2003 12:12 PM quote: Originally posted by Volunteer Sean South: Gunther, you are a complete fcuking boll1x. I'm hurt. Ass*hole IP: Logged
GUNTHER Senior Member Posts: 2010 From: Registered: Jun 2001	posted 17 September 2003 12:13 PM quote: Originally posted by SWEET73: A bit over d top Gunther he was a good manager and a little bit unlucky not to bring us d holy grail. Plus has a good track record at club level. WAS a good Manager...good track record at club level?...not sure. IP: Logged
GUNTHER Senior Member Posts: 2010 From: Registered: Jun 2001	posted 17 September 2003 12:20 PM quote: Originally posted by maiguesider: gunther there is a correlation here ; ryan had a lot of goodwill in 1997 after sacking ; similar to George W .after 9/11 he has squandered this with rants ; The bottom line is dat he will not be our next Boss ; I mussay i am very disillusioned at the moment ; the club thing is now my main focus and I at present couldn't give a fcuk about the fortunes of the county team ; although come next March this will evaporate ; Agreed... I felt sorry for Ryan back in 1997..he had given us 3 great years,and had just landed us a National title. However..I did feel at the time that we needed a change..and felt that Cregan was a decent appointment. I always felt grateful towards Ryan for what he did for us..but now I am just heartily sick of his bleatings about how he was shafted...6 fcuking years ago. Personal attacks on people who were not even involved on radio is the last straw...he is a disgrace. For a man of his "talents"...he has not exactly been inundated with offers from other Counties in the last 6 years has he? I am also diillusioned with the whole thing to be honest... IP: Logged
liam mac Senior Member Posts: 166 From:Limerick Registered: May 2003	posted 17 September 2003 12:28 PM Gunther how can you call Tom Ryan a failed hurling manager? His record for Limerick was very impressive. He took over in 1993 when we were nearly at a lower point than we are now. He then went on to win two munsters in four years with arguably a poorer set of forwards than we have now. His record in munster hurling is better than any inter county manager over the last 30 years. FACT. He made a few horrendous mistakes up in croke park esp in 1996 but I wouldn’t hold this against him. At least he got us there. His record as a club manager since has also been impressive with his success at Toomevara, Croom and Newtown. Who in Limerick hurling has better qualifications to manage us? I don’t think it’s fair to say that he wants Limerick hurling to fail now. He prob didn’t want Cregan to succeed but I don’t think he had a lot against Keane. He is very bitter towards the county board. Can you honestly say that you wouldn’t be bitter if they did to you what they did to him? If you remember back in 97 there was a popular opinion that Cregan was a better manager and that he wouldn’t make the mistakes that Ryan made in Croke park if he were there. Then we had that sham of a county board meeting where Ryan was replaced by Cregan. I can’t remember the exact details of it but it was very messy and a lot of cloak and dagger stuff went on. In fairness Cregan took over an ageing team and Ryan probably took pleasure in the fact that Cregan failed with them as he felt that he had been proved right. I think that’s human nature and most of us would have felt the same had it been done to us. I agree with you about the name calling and personal insults. That is childish and unnecessary and doesn’t do him any favours. I’ve dealt with Jimmy Hartigan before and always found him to be very courteous and professional. He has been a very good administrator for the county board. I remember he wanted to give it up a few years ago but they couldn’t find a replacement. However the county board should step back and look at the best way to appoint the next Limerick manager. I don’t think he will be the next Limerick manager unless he gets huge support from the clubs and I think that is what he is looking for. I have heard from a Clareman that Loughnane is being offered money to take it over. I don’t know where that money is going to come from but if he is put forward to the delegates he would win in a landslide and Tom would be forgotten about. IP: Logged
South Limerick Referee Senior Member Posts: 355 From: Registered: Jul 2003	posted 17 September 2003 12:29 PM Before I start, has anyone got the interview on tape???? I will make no apologies to anyone for believeing that at this moment in time Tom Ryan is the best man for the Limerick Job. However there are obstacles in the way. Whether guilty or not, Jimmy Hartigan and Pat Fitz seem to be carrying the can for shafting him in 1997 and having Eamon Cregan lined up as his replacement before the league final was played. Its as if Toms achievements were never recognised. People had short memories Limerick pre Tom Ryan. Just like now people have short memories of under 21 pre Dave Keane Tom Ryan has a memory like an elephant and doesnt forget things. He also speaks his mind (and often the truth) and doesnt appear to care what people think of him. Fact is Tom won and All Ireland Senior Hurling medal on the field and won honours as manager. Like him or not he's been through the mill and you cannot question his record. He may have been more diplomatic in the way he put it that those picking the manager might not be qualified to do so. To be a county senior manager, there is a certain amount of cooperation needed with the county board. Whats needed is a very diplomatic liason officer. The county board chickened out of removing Dave Keane themselves so that in 6 months time nobody could point a finger at them. They left it to the clubs. However, I cannot see them allowing the clubs to be given the power to appoint Tom Ryan as the new manager. In short, the county board will do what suits them and will take steps to ensure no egg is left on their face afterwards if things go wrong. Tom is known everywhere for his stance on discipline. He is a if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen type of guy. Gary Kirby summed it up. Success means Sacrifice. IP: Logged
WWW.ADAREGAA.COM Senior Member Posts: 67 From:Limerick Registered: May 2003	posted 17 September 2003 12:35 PM What success did Tom Ryan ever have with Croom? Totally agree with you Gunther. Tom Ryan would be better served disappearing from the public view for a while. IP: Logged
South Limerick Referee Senior Member Posts: 355 From: Registered: Jul 2003	posted 17 September 2003 12:36 PM By the way, Tom Ryans record as a coach isd far better than that of Cregans. You can point at the All Ireland Cregan won in 1994, but look at the bigger picture. Cregan won two championship games in 5 years with limerick in his second spell. His first spell wasnt dramatic as well. People could argue that he didnt have the quality of player he needed, but neither did Tom Ryan. What has Cregan achieved with Monaleen, Ballybrown, South Liberties etc???? Tom Ryan has county titles with Croom, Toomevara and a final appearance with Newtownshandrum as well as success with Ballybrown. quote: Originally posted by South Limerick Referee: Before I start, has anyone got the interview on tape???? I will make no apologies to anyone for believeing that at this moment in time Tom Ryan is the best man for the Limerick Job. However there are obstacles in the way. Whether guilty or not, Jimmy Hartigan and Pat Fitz seem to be carrying the can for shafting him in 1997 and having Eamon Cregan lined up as his replacement before the league final was played. Its as if Toms achievements were never recognised. People had short memories Limerick pre Tom Ryan. Just like now people have short memories of under 21 pre Dave Keane Tom Ryan has a memory like an elephant and doesnt forget things. He also speaks his mind (and often the truth) and doesnt appear to care what people think of him. Fact is Tom won and All Ireland Senior Hurling medal on the field and won honours as manager. Like him or not he's been through the mill and you cannot question his record. He may have been more diplomatic in the way he put it that those picking the manager might not be qualified to do so. To be a county senior manager, there is a certain amount of cooperation needed with the county board. Whats needed is a very diplomatic liason officer. The county board chickened out of removing Dave Keane themselves so that in 6 months time nobody could point a finger at them. They left it to the clubs. However, I cannot see them allowing the clubs to be given the power to appoint Tom Ryan as the new manager. In short, the county board will do what suits them and will take steps to ensure no egg is left on their face afterwards if things go wrong. Tom is known everywhere for his stance on discipline. He is a if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen type of guy. Gary Kirby summed it up. Success means Sacrifice. IP: Logged
South Limerick Referee Senior Member Posts: 355 From: Registered: Jul 2003	posted 17 September 2003 12:38 PM Did Tom not win the intermediate title with croom???? quote: Originally posted by http://www.adaregaa.com:/ What success did Tom Ryan ever have with Croom? Totally agree with you Gunther. Tom Ryan would be better served disappearing from the public view for a while. IP: Logged
WWW.ADAREGAA.COM Senior Member Posts: 67 From:Limerick Registered: May 2003	posted 17 September 2003 12:39 PM quote: Originally posted by South Limerick Referee: Did Tom not win the intermediate title with croom???? Thats hardly success is it. IP: Logged
liam mac Senior Member Posts: 166 From:Limerick Registered: May 2003	posted 17 September 2003 12:40 PM Pat Fitz backing Keane reminds me of Bertie voting for Reynolds a few years ago. A sly move indeed. IP: Logged
South Limerick Referee Senior Member Posts: 355 From: Registered: Jul 2003	posted 17 September 2003 12:42 PM Its more than cregan achieved with Liberties quote: Originally posted by http://www.adaregaa.com:/ Thats hardly success is it. IP: Logged
WWW.ADAREGAA.COM Senior Member Posts: 67 From:Limerick Registered: May 2003	posted 17 September 2003 12:47 PM The thing is whether to look at Tom Ryans record as winning two munster and a national league title or losing two very winable All Irelands. When he was at Toomevara weren't they already county champions so you have to ask the question whether it was a success for him managing a team to to same position they held the year before. Success surely would have been a Munster club... IP: Logged
South Limerick Referee Senior Member Posts: 355 From: Registered: Jul 2003	posted 17 September 2003 01:10 PM I assume that Donal O'Grady is also a failure in your eyes, quote: Originally posted by http://www.adaregaa.com:/ The thing is whether to look at Tom Ryans record as winning two munster and a national league title or losing two very winable All Irelands. When he was at Toomevara weren't they already county champions so you have to ask the question whether it was a success for him managing a team to to same position they held the year before. Success surely would have been a Munster club... IP: Logged
LimerickNomad Senior Member Posts: 3580 From:Athenry (via Cappamore) or limericknomad@hotmail.com Registered: Jun 2002	posted 17 September 2003 01:15 PM quote: Originally posted by liam mac: I have heard from a Clareman that Loughnane is being offered money to take it over. I don’t know where that money is going to come from but if he is put forward to the delegates he would win in a landslide and Tom would be forgotten about. The GAA should investigate these allegations immediately ! A person being offered money (over and above normal expenses?) to coach an inter-county hurling team. Never! IP: Logged
@dell.com Senior Member Posts: 78 From: Registered: Jun 2003	posted 17 September 2003 01:23 PM Ger is on handy money in RTE, anyone on that money would want very generous expenses to compensate. BTW The drinking in Killarney was never proven, but that doesnt mean its not true. quote: Originally posted by LimerickNomad: The GAA should investigate these allegations immediately ! A person being offered money (over and above normal expenses?) to coach an inter-county hurling team. Never! IP: Logged
maiguesider Senior Member Posts: 2743 From: Registered: Sep 2001	posted 17 September 2003 01:44 PM quote: Originally posted by liam mac: Gunther how can you call Tom Ryan a failed hurling manager? His record for Limerick was very impressive. He took over in 1993 when we were nearly at a lower point than we are now. He then went on to win two munsters in four years with arguably a poorer set of forwards than we have now. His record in munster hurling is better than any inter county manager over the last 30 years. FACT. He made a few horrendous mistakes up in croke park esp in 1996 but I wouldn’t hold this against him. At least he got us there. His record as a club manager since has also been impressive with his success at Toomevara, Croom and Newtown. Who in Limerick hurling has better qualifications to manage us? I don’t think it’s fair to say that he wants Limerick hurling to fail now. He prob didn’t want Cregan to succeed but I don’t think he had a lot against Keane. He is very bitter towards the county board. Can you honestly say that you wouldn’t be bitter if they did to you what they did to him? If you remember back in 97 there was a popular opinion that Cregan was a better manager and that he wouldn’t make the mistakes that Ryan made in Croke park if he were there. Then we had that sham of a county board meeting where Ryan was replaced by Cregan. I can’t remember the exact details of it but it was very messy and a lot of cloak and dagger stuff went on. In fairness Cregan took over an ageing team and Ryan probably took pleasure in the fact that Cregan failed with them as he felt that he had been proved right. I think that’s human nature and most of us would have felt the same had it been done to us. I agree with you about the name calling and personal insults. That is childish and unnecessary and doesn’t do him any favours. I’ve dealt with Jimmy Hartigan before and always found him to be very courteous and professional. He has been a very good administrator for the county board. I remember he wanted to give it up a few years ago but they couldn’t find a replacement. However the county board should step back and look at the best way to appoint the next Limerick manager. I don’t think he will be the next Limerick manager unless he gets huge support from the clubs and I think that is what he is looking for. I have heard from a Clareman that Loughnane is being offered money to take it over. I don’t know where that money is going to come from but if he is put forward to the delegates he would win in a landslide and Tom would be forgotten about. the key point here is that in 94 - 96 tipp and cork were quite poor ; lets be realistic ; credit to ryan however for having us well organised ; IP: Logged

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