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GUNTHER Senior Member Posts: 2010 From: Registered: Jun 2001	posted 17 September 2003 02:23 PM quote: Originally posted by liam mac: Gunther how can you call Tom Ryan a failed hurling manager? His record for Limerick was very impressive. He took over in 1993 when we were nearly at a lower point than we are now. He then went on to win two munsters in four years with arguably a poorer set of forwards than we have now. His record in munster hurling is better than any inter county manager over the last 30 years. FACT. He made a few horrendous mistakes up in croke park esp in 1996 but I wouldn’t hold this against him. At least he got us there. His record as a club manager since has also been impressive with his success at Toomevara, Croom and Newtown. Who in Limerick hurling has better qualifications to manage us? I don’t think it’s fair to say that he wants Limerick hurling to fail now. He prob didn’t want Cregan to succeed but I don’t think he had a lot against Keane. He is very bitter towards the county board. Can you honestly say that you wouldn’t be bitter if they did to you what they did to him? If you remember back in 97 there was a popular opinion that Cregan was a better manager and that he wouldn’t make the mistakes that Ryan made in Croke park if he were there. Then we had that sham of a county board meeting where Ryan was replaced by Cregan. I can’t remember the exact details of it but it was very messy and a lot of cloak and dagger stuff went on. In fairness Cregan took over an ageing team and Ryan probably took pleasure in the fact that Cregan failed with them as he felt that he had been proved right. I think that’s human nature and most of us would have felt the same had it been done to us. I agree with you about the name calling and personal insults. That is childish and unnecessary and doesn’t do him any favours. I’ve dealt with Jimmy Hartigan before and always found him to be very courteous and professional. He has been a very good administrator for the county board. I remember he wanted to give it up a few years ago but they couldn’t find a replacement. However the county board should step back and look at the best way to appoint the next Limerick manager. I don’t think he will be the next Limerick manager unless he gets huge support from the clubs and I think that is what he is looking for. I have heard from a Clareman that Loughnane is being offered money to take it over. I don’t know where that money is going to come from but if he is put forward to the delegates he would win in a landslide and Tom would be forgotten about. Liam, Fair points...I think everyone agrees that Tom did a great job 94-97..and had reason to feel aggrieved at his shafting in 97...but.. WE HAVE TO MOVE ON! We need a fresh start..appointing Tom Ryan and all the baggagge..is not a fresh start. And..name calling his would be "employers" on a local radio station would hardly help matters? It was a ludicrous thing to do..and smacks of someone who,frankly,is not playing with a full deck. Cool Heads needed...Tom Ryan is NOT the answer. IP: Logged
liam mac Senior Member Posts: 166 From:Limerick Registered: May 2003	posted 17 September 2003 02:48 PM Gunther, We do need to move on. You have made it clear you don't want Tom. Fair enough. Who would you pick if you had to choice?? I think the fact that that question is so difficult to answer is the reason a lot of us think that Tom Ryan is the answer. Personally I would have Ger Loughnane in if he would be interested. He knows plenty about Limerick hurling and would prob have the sense to appoint good Limerick selectors. I don't think he would be interested however. JBM is another candidate who I think would be very good but would not interested. I can't think of too many more. Maigue, Lets not take away from Tom Ryans achievements by saying Tipp and Cork were poor. Only for us beating them Cork(in 94) and Tipp(in 96) would more than likely have won the all Ireland. I don't hear anyone in Cork playing down Donal O Gradys achievments this year by saying the rest of Munster were poor(which we were). Give credit where it's due. IP: Logged
GUNTHER Senior Member Posts: 2010 From: Registered: Jun 2001	posted 17 September 2003 03:28 PM quote: Originally posted by liam mac: Gunther, We do need to move on. You have made it clear you don't want Tom. Fair enough. Who would you pick if you had to choice?? I think the fact that that question is so difficult to answer is the reason a lot of us think that Tom Ryan is the answer. Personally I would have Ger Loughnane in if he would be interested. He knows plenty about Limerick hurling and would prob have the sense to appoint good Limerick selectors. I don't think he would be interested however. JBM is another candidate who I think would be very good but would not interested. I can't think of too many more. Maigue, Lets not take away from Tom Ryans achievements by saying Tipp and Cork were poor. Only for us beating them Cork(in 94) and Tipp(in 96) would more than likely have won the all Ireland. I don't hear anyone in Cork playing down Donal O Gradys achievments this year by saying the rest of Munster were poor(which we were). Give credit where it's due. I would like to see Pat Fleury appointed...and I would also like to see Dave Mahedy back as Trainer. Have no idea whatsoever if either would be interested. IP: Logged
kennyibrox Member Posts: 9 From:govan Registered: May 2003	posted 17 September 2003 03:30 PM quote: Originally posted by GUNTHER: I would like to see Pat Fleury appointed...and I would also like to see Dave Mahedy back as Trainer. Have no idea whatsoever if either would be interested. my pals fro m Sexton Street reckon Fleury was good ok ; he played a tactical blinder in 2000 to beat Cork IP: Logged
turk57 Senior Member Posts: 174 From: Registered: Nov 2002	posted 17 September 2003 03:37 PM hi lads, an outside looking in on this one, i don't reckon it's a great idea to appoint an old manager who had his fair chance just cos "there is nobody else". IP: Logged
South Limerick Referee Senior Member Posts: 355 From: Registered: Jul 2003	posted 17 September 2003 11:49 PM Its not cos theres nobody else. There are loads of options. Its a Tom Ryan type of manager thats needed, he may have burnt too many bridges. Thing is he's the only proven manager of that type in Limerick. IP: Logged
sarsfields rock Senior Member Posts: 328 From:Tipperary Registered: Jul 2002	posted 18 September 2003 12:15 AM quote: Originally posted by maiguesider: the key point here is that in 94 - 96 tipp and cork were quite poor ; lets be realistic ; credit to ryan however for having us well organised ; Hmm, quite poor were we, yet if we had beaten ye the first day as we should we would have had , apologies to Antrim, Wexford in an AI final. With our forwards the same year, Nicky, Declan, Leahy, Cleary and Dunne playing, we would have fancied beating Wexford! And I think Cork would too. IP: Logged
rooter Senior Member Posts: 181 From: Registered: Jun 2003	posted 18 September 2003 12:36 PM quote: Originally posted by Tommy Tucker: This story about a said player been on the piss below in Kilarney on the Sunday of the Munster final is total rubbish. FACT! Depends on who said player is, doesn't it? IP: Logged
George.W.Muff Senior Member Posts: 216 From:Limerick Registered: Mar 2003	posted 18 September 2003 06:46 PM quote: Originally posted by http://www.adaregaa.com:/ What success did Tom Ryan ever have with Croom? Totally agree with you Gunther. Tom Ryan would be better served disappearing from the public view for a while. What the F*K have Croom done ...EVER ??,muppet !!! Ryan will get the job ,you watch.Who else will take it on .. we need someone with a proven intercounty record.Fellas like Herbert ,Fitzgibbon ....god bless us.. will never get the support of the clubs ,Ryan will.People are talking about Loughnane ....BULLSIT ..nutter!!! And ye're calling Ryan a F*cking nutter ,or best manager ever!!! Hope Ryan gets the job he'll sort a few people out. IP: Logged
evileye Senior Member Posts: 237 From:limerick Registered: Mar 2003	posted 18 September 2003 06:47 PM this one seems heated lads and it looks like gunther is dishing out a lot of insults so i'll stay out of it!!!! IP: Logged
LimerickNomad Senior Member Posts: 3580 From:Athenry (via Cappamore) or limericknomad@hotmail.com Registered: Jun 2002	posted 18 September 2003 08:21 PM quote: Originally posted by evileye: this one seems heated lads and it looks like gunther is dishing out a lot of insults so i'll stay out of it!!!! Never stopped you before so what should it stop you now? IP: Logged
frank grimes Member Posts: 19 From: Registered: Jul 2003	posted 18 September 2003 09:27 PM correct me if im wrong, but from what i can see tom has had fcuk all glory as a manager at club level. he was ran out of toom (although theres meant to be an awful shower of cnuts down there) newtown won f.all (with a brilliant team) croom did nothing under him and now nenagh have just lost the north final with tom..... hardly an impressive c.v? IP: Logged
LimerickNomad Senior Member Posts: 3580 From:Athenry (via Cappamore) or limericknomad@hotmail.com Registered: Jun 2002	posted 18 September 2003 09:43 PM quote: Originally posted by frank grimes: correct me if im wrong, but from what i can see tom has had fcuk all glory as a manager at club level. he was ran out of toom (although theres meant to be an awful shower of cnuts down there) newtown won f.all (with a brilliant team) croom did nothing under him and now nenagh have just lost the north final with tom..... hardly an impressive c.v? Lots of finals though? IP: Logged
WWW.ADAREGAA.COM Senior Member Posts: 67 From:Limerick Registered: May 2003	posted 19 September 2003 11:23 AM quote: Originally posted by George.W.Muff: What the F*K have Croom done ...EVER ??,muppet !!! Ryan will get the job ,you watch.Who else will take it on .. we need someone with a proven intercounty record.Fellas like Herbert ,Fitzgibbon ....god bless us.. will never get the support of the clubs ,Ryan will.People are talking about Loughnane ....BULLSIT ..nutter!!! And ye're calling Ryan a F*cking nutter ,or best manager ever!!! Hope Ryan gets the job he'll sort a few people out. I repeat you moron. Tom Ryan has burnt too many bridges and will never manage Limerick. IP: Logged
No 22 Senior Member Posts: 189 From: Registered: Nov 2002	posted 19 September 2003 11:30 AM I've been reading on Luimneach about a Phil Bennis/Vincent Foley ticket. Seems they had the job in the back last year but after the under 21's came good against Tipp and Galway and the job had to be given to Keane. Anyone else hear this story? IP: Logged
andy bichel Member Posts: 28 From: Registered: Apr 2003	posted 19 September 2003 11:49 AM Tom Ryan is certainly not the answer. How many other people looking for a job go on radio and castigate the county board, players etc. Can never imagine the great managers of our time behaving like this, Loughnane, Griffin, Cody, English etc. by the way notice a common theme that each guy I just mentioned has.....yes they all have won all ireland medals as managers. Tom lost two.Was the seat in the croke park bench that comfortable? As for blaming the county board for shafting keane, do ye forget the results of the vote? 61 to 18 i believe, didnt realise there were 79 members on the county board.....thats right there isnt, clubs musta voted so overwhelmingly! his own club adare didnt speak at all, patrickswell club were quite verbose in voicing their opinions about ousting the management team, even though they had a selector on that management team. People who speak of tom ryan's achievements, do they realise that you cant mention his name in newtown, croom won absolutely nothing, not exactly a favourite in toom either. Nenagh are not going anywhere in tipp this year. must be an outside man, thats what limerick need.as for commenting on those who listen to the demented warblings of tom ryan et al on RLO, dont think i will waste my energy. IP: Logged
@dell.com Senior Member Posts: 78 From: Registered: Jun 2003	posted 19 September 2003 12:50 PM The thing about members with low posts is that one person is probably posting using both names. Frank Grimes may well be Andy Bichel. I dont think Tom Ryan is the best hurling man for the job but at the same time I aint launching a witch hunt against him. The thing is we should be looking at getting Tom in as manager to straighten things out. He'd make it hell for players with poor discipline, maybe the players are afraid he'd come in. After matches in the past he has even been known to glare at the players having celebratory drinks. Theres nothing wrong with a manager who is anti drink. You could bring in a hurling man as coach beside him. IP: Logged
Ferret Senior Member Posts: 102 From:limerick Registered: Dec 2002	posted 19 September 2003 04:14 PM GUNTER:just want to say i totally agree with you bout tom ryan!a total boll1x who shouldnt be left near the team!he was the one totally underminig the last management every week in the evening echo!he failed as a manager,we lost 2 all irelands in 94 when we had it won and in 96 to an awful 14 man wexford team!no point getting us there if you dont get us over the line!as the saying goes "so close yet so far" IP: Logged
evileye Senior Member Posts: 237 From:limerick Registered: Mar 2003	posted 21 September 2003 01:54 PM quote: Originally posted by LimerickNomad: Never stopped you before so what should it stop you now? ive changed nomad also gunther called to the door 1 day so ive to be careful IP: Logged
LimerickNomad Senior Member Posts: 3580 From:Athenry (via Cappamore) or limericknomad@hotmail.com Registered: Jun 2002	posted 21 September 2003 09:52 PM quote: Originally posted by evileye: ive changed nomad also gunther called to the door 1 day so ive to be careful Great to hear . Thoughts on who might get the job? Any dark horses not in the public arena yet? IP: Logged

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