posted 10 September 2003 04:21 PM         

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Originally posted by GUNTHER:

I happen to believe that the County Board DOES bear some responsibility for what went on last year,not all,but some.

They should have had their finger on the pulse on what's going on,and intervened if they thought it was neccesary,instead of letting it go as far as it did.

I dont think that suggesting that Keane deserved another year deserved your Smart Alec replies either.

If you are that dismissive of a man who has lead us to the success we have had over the last 3 years,then you are a knob.

And..you dont have to be telling me about the Gaelic Grounds either..I'm one of the clowns that has to chase the money every month.

Debate the issues at hand..but dont be such a smartass...I am as piss*ed off as anyone about how this has turned out.

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posted 10 September 2003 04:45 PM         

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Originally posted by liam mac:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by GUNTHER:
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I happen to believe that the County Board DOES bear some responsibility for what went on last year,not all,but some.

They should have had their finger on the pulse on what's going on,and intervened if they thought it was neccesary,instead of letting it go as far as it did.

I dont think that suggesting that Keane deserved another year deserved your Smart Alec replies either.

If you are that dismissive of a man who has lead us to the success we have had over the last 3 years,then you are a knob.

And..you dont have to be telling me about the Gaelic Grounds either..I'm one of the clowns that has to chase the money every month.

Debate the issues at hand..but dont be such a smartass...I am as piss*ed off as anyone about how this has turned out.

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Ah Go away you fcuking ape.

Do you seriously think I want Dave Keane stay on because I think it will be to the "detriment" of Limerick hurling?

I dont "dislike" the Senior players as you put it..I just dont think their record over the last 7 years justifies them putting any pressure on Dave Keane.

Dont flatter yourself..you did not "upset" me as you put it with your response..all I said was there was no need to resort to petty insults when I was offering a genuine opinion on the mess that we find ourselves in.

I happen to think that a lot of my opinions re Limerick hurling are reaonable,whether you think so or not.

So,Basically,Just Fcuk Off.

posted 10 September 2003 04:46 PM         

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Originally posted by Tommy Tucker:
Adare v Killmalock
Ahane v Patrickswell

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Tommy, when will these be played?

posted 10 September 2003 07:39 PM         

les - nothing about the football.could be trouble there aswell.new man in the hurling (whoever he is) could cause many problems for liam kerins...for example ger loughnane wouldn't tolerare dual players...kerins would be gone if that happens.for him to stay he'll have to get what he wants also.

the vote was 61 - 18.correct me if im wrong but i think that if keane got 2 more votes - which would have made it 59 - 20 he would have been re - instated as manager, because for a proposal to pass it has to have 2/3's of the floor.thats a fair indication of how anti dave keane our delegates are.
i felt all along that he had to go cause i think the damage was done and if he came back again it was too late....he'd never win the respect of his players(or some of em anyway) but i feel sorry for the man...as gunther said - a man that achieved so much in limerick hurling with the 21's is sacked after a year is not fair either.one thing i will say about it is for a county that has won sweet f.a. (all ireland titles over the last 30 years anyway),we have a fair high opinion of ourselves.....lets face facts....we are a laughing stock after this.

all is not lost though....this time last year cork were on strike and in a lot worse situation and on sun they are walking onto croke park to contest an all ireland final(and ill be there to see it)

lads on a sad day for hurling in limerick,i bid ye fairwell

posted 10 September 2003 08:42 PM         

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Originally posted by evileye:
its the delegates that decide the outcome.....and a lot of them haven't a fcuking clue what there on about.masybe its time to look at changing that side of our county set up.

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I agree totally evileye. Most delegates only get the job because nobody else will do it. Pub Talk and After Mass talk can make up their minds. Although having said that, the county board facilitated the delegates who werent too familiar with things upon request on this occasion.

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the vote was 61 - 18.correct me if im wrong but i think that if keane got 2 more votes - which would have made it 59 - 20 he would have been re - instated as manager, because for a proposal to pass it has to have 2/3's of the floor.thats a fair indication of how anti dave keane our delegates are.

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You are correct, when the votes were counted from the floor the tally was 57-18. However the 4 county board delegates at the top table had then to be added to this and it was their votes that made it 61-18. Had two of the four voted in favour of keeping him then it was 59-20. Keane was safe.

By the way, I'm concerned about the attitude of the new manager to dual players too. IF the dual players chose football, and AOS is definitely not available, the Limerick senior hurling job isnt so hot after all.

posted 10 September 2003 10:05 PM         

So Keane is hard done by to be dropped after a year. However, there is serious discontent within the county as to how bad discipline was this year on the panel. You ask yourself how did he get that so wrong? You also ask yourself if he got it so wrong already how could he turn it around in a year?

So for him to come back and say that he wanted to retain the same backroom team when there are reservations in particular about the trainer was naive at best.

The dogs in the street know changes have to be made to improve discipline and fitness so I think that when confronted with that response, the county board had no option.

Remember the vote was fairly emphatic. Also like or not the board delegates are representing you as club members. If you don't like that you know what to do about it.

It's a pity the way it has happened but better for it to happen now than to have another lousy league campaign and suddenly discover we are going nowhere next May.

Can't imagine a queue of applicants for the job. The only candidates I can think of are
Fleury, Dinny Cahill and Gerald McCarthy.

posted 10 September 2003 10:29 PM         

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Originally posted by GUNTHER:

We have now reahed our lowest ebb ever....Limerick hurling could be fcuked for years to come.

Dave Keane,after landing 3 All Irelands and 3 Munster titles in a row...GETS EIGHTEEN VOTES IN A BALLOT???

Assuming that 2 would have come from his own club,this would probably reduce it to 16.

It is more serious that being a mere laughing stock..Limerick Hurling is in danger of dying on it's feet if this is how we reward our managers.

The problems he has had are well documented,and I dont want to go into them again.

However,as a county who have not won an All Ireland for 30 years,was Keane not entitled to just 12 MONTHS to get it right?

Are we so arrogant,after all that he has done for us,that we deny him this opportunity??

Talk of new Managers are immaterial at this stage...we have fcuked up so badly with this one,that it does not matter who we bring in...we are only codding ourselves.

We are in a dreadful state...we have a 12m stadium with no hurling team or Manager.

We are in the final stages of our County championships where a manager should be looking at any new talent..when is the new Manager going to get this opportunity?

We are looking for our FOURTH Manager in just over 12 months..remember Mossy Carroll was also appointed for a brief period during the Cregan fiasco.

Our Senior players who have won FCUKALL in 7 years feel they did not have the respect of Dave Keane.

The 4 players who blackguarded Dave Keane with their drinking sessions should hang their heads in shame..and never be offered a County JERSEY AGAIN.

Our minor hurlers scored ONE POINT v Tipperary in the championship this year.

So..the next time the County Board come calling with their glossy Mackey Stand rochures,remember how they treated Dave Keane.

I will never put a penny into their coffers again.

So,**** the "Senior players",Fcuk the Famous Four drinkers,and Fcuk the County Board delegates who would not give this man ONE more year.

WE ARE FINISHED.

Dave...they dont desrve you..Thanks for the memories.

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posted 10 September 2003 10:54 PM         

I think bond got very lucky with Offaly in 1998, he got the backlash out of a dying team. He was with them in 1999 and again in 2001, and didnt achieve anything, or didnt seek reappointment. Its a long way from Loughrea to Limerick. Not an option.

Dinny Cahill is from Kilruane, I think, dont know exactly where it it but it cant be too far from Limerick. He has put in savage work with Antrim, but he wont leave them now.

Padjoe is a good manager, Birr is probably an hour from Limerick, not too far. He's worth consideration.

The reason I am thinking in terms of Pat Fleury is because he is so close, his mileage would be relatively low. If Training took place in UL he could nearly walk there. With a huge debt, Limerick county board wont be spending big money on a manager.

Money is the very reason we could get a slapdash management team, a series of internal names nominated from clubs like in 1993 and the three that get the top votes are appointed picking a manager from among themselves. We were lucky that way it worked out then, but it could have been me or you as easily as it was Tom Ryan, Rory Kiely and Liam Lenihan.

One wonders would Len Gaynor be interested and would he have anything to offer??

posted 10 September 2003 11:06 PM         

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Originally posted by No 22:
SLR,

Would you allow your name to go forward for the job???

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posted 11 September 2003 08:18 AM         

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Originally posted by Balbec:
Tommy, when will these be played?

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Sunday week, they don't yet if they will be on in the Gaelic Grounds, if not Bruff

posted 11 September 2003 09:24 AM         

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Originally posted by evileye:
gunther your fairly strong on your points.i wouldn't be so down on the county board....there been made look like the trouble makers.its the delegates that decide the outcome.....and a lot of them haven't a fcuking clue what there on about.masybe its time to look at changing that side of our county set up.
for instance why should mungret - an intermediate club, be allowed to propose that dave keane should not be given his 2nd year in charge of limerick???another thing is clubs could be joining up aswell and voting the same...its all wrong in my eyes.

les - nothing about the football.could be trouble there aswell.new man in the hurling (whoever he is) could cause many problems for liam kerins...for example ger loughnane wouldn't tolerare dual players...kerins would be gone if that happens.for him to stay he'll have to get what he wants also.

the vote was 61 - 18.correct me if im wrong but i think that if keane got 2 more votes - which would have made it 59 - 20 he would have been re - instated as manager, because for a proposal to pass it has to have 2/3's of the floor.thats a fair indication of how anti dave keane our delegates are.
i felt all along that he had to go cause i think the damage was done and if he came back again it was too late....he'd never win the respect of his players(or some of em anyway) but i feel sorry for the man...as gunther said - a man that achieved so much in limerick hurling with the 21's is sacked after a year is not fair either.one thing i will say about it is for a county that has won sweet f.a. (all ireland titles over the last 30 years anyway),we have a fair high opinion of ourselves.....lets face facts....we are a laughing stock after this.

all is not lost though....this time last year cork were on strike and in a lot worse situation and on sun they are walking onto croke park to contest an all ireland final(and ill be there to see it)

lads on a sad day for hurling in limerick,i bid ye fairwell

evileye

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Excellent point Evil Eye...yur points on the possible effect on the Football scene are very intersting,and are valid.

I am positive that a new manager would not want dual players,and to be honest,I think he would be right.

Keane and Kearns could not train with full panels leading up to crucial qualifiers last year,and this definitely needs to be sorted out,especially as the backdoor will probably be our normal route over the next couple of years.

Another point..it would have been a complete disaster if Dave Keane HAD crept in by say 59-20...he would then have carried on knowing that 70% County Board delegates did not want him!

So I think a clear result was best in the circumstances.

You seem to have decent inside knowledge..who would opt for what if the dual player issue comes to a head?

Brian Begley
Stephen Lucey
Conor Fitz

I hear Mark Keane and Mike O'Brien have also been approached by the Senior Football Management.

I reckon Begley and Fitz would opt for hurling,and Lucey would opt for the Football.

I also think that Keane and O'Brien would opt for hurling under a new manager,but would not have if Keane remained.

Puts Liam Kearns in a dodgy position especially with the Kerry job on offer.

This is assuming that a high profile,"outside" manager is appointed.

If we appoint,for eg,Pat Herbert,Shane Fitzgibbon and Ger Hegarty..then the whole lot of them may as well go playing Football.

I trust that the County Board will not take any short cuts on this matter.

I myself would like to see Pat Fleury given the job.

I would like to see Dave Mahedy back as trainer.

posted 11 September 2003 02:06 PM         

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Originally posted by The Blues:
Lads, I don't mean to be pedantic but your maths are wrong. If Keane needed 1/3 of the vote then he would have needed 27 of the 79 delegates to vote for him. Fairly comprehensive whatever way you look at it I'd say.

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posted 11 September 2003 02:25 PM         

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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
2/3 Majority was needed to remove him. 59-20 would have saved him

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No.

59-20 is roughly 74.5%-25.5%. He would still have been well gone.

posted 11 September 2003 03:21 PM         

Its a big mistake, but fair play to Keane for keeping his mouth shut. Keane beat Cork three times at under 21 level, you couldnt question his loyalty to Limerick.

Could Loughnane stomach beating Clare????

I had fancied Fleury but sources indicate he wouldnt be interested. I dont know.

posted 11 September 2003 03:59 PM         

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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:

Tom Ryan is the man for the job. Success just follows him around, Toomevara, Newtownshandrum, Limerick & Croom have all prospered under him. Give him another shot.

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Or is it that he chooses his teams well. How would he get on with Cappamore or Killeedy?

posted 11 September 2003 05:56 PM         

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Originally posted by GUNTHER:
Excellent point Evil Eye...yur points on the possible effect on the Football scene are very intersting,and are valid.

I am positive that a new manager would not want dual players,and to be honest,I think he would be right.

Keane and Kearns could not train with full panels leading up to crucial qualifiers last year,and this definitely needs to be sorted out,especially as the backdoor will probably be our normal route over the next couple of years.

Another point..it would have been a complete disaster if Dave Keane HAD crept in by say 59-20...he would then have carried on knowing that 70% County Board delegates did not want him!

So I think a clear result was best in the circumstances.

You seem to have decent inside knowledge..who would opt for what if the dual player issue comes to a head?

Brian Begley
Stephen Lucey
Conor Fitz

I hear Mark Keane and Mike O'Brien have also been approached by the Senior Football Management.

I reckon Begley and Fitz would opt for hurling,and Lucey would opt for the Football.

I also think that Keane and O'Brien would opt for hurling under a new manager,but would not have if Keane remained.

Puts Liam Kearns in a dodgy position especially with the Kerry job on offer.

This is assuming that a high profile,"outside" manager is appointed.

If we appoint,for eg,Pat Herbert,Shane Fitzgibbon and Ger Hegarty..then the whole lot of them may as well go playing Football.

I trust that the County Board will not take any short cuts on this matter.

I myself would like to see Pat Fleury given the job.

I would like to see Dave Mahedy back as trainer.

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gunther
you know i cant tell you where i get my information from...as the man says,your on a need to know basis,and right now you don't need to know.

heard today that the dual player status wont bother the football cause lucey and fitz would choose football.i must admit i'd find that hard to believe...maybe lucey but conor i'd question.to be honest begley should stick to the hurling anyway....he's a decent hurler in my eyes...i won't comment about his football skills.

also heard bout mark keane and o brien...mark is official i think...not sure bout o brien.can't c either of em making it myself but i suppose there worth a try....some of last years panal were, and i quote 'a joke'.rumours have it timmy carroll is back...class footballer.up there beside damien reidy as regards natural skill and football.hope they get him back in ....couldn't meet a nicer fella.

i agree with your point bout the dual players...its hard to play both but i dont think a manager should tell the player this....let him make his own mind up,if he feels he can do both then best of luck to him.

i think both keane and o brien could be tempted back to the hurling....definately keane anyway.he's mad 4 the limelight and would enjoy the hurling spotlight more(i think).

rumour tom ryan is letting his name go 4 the job...i'd like to c him back.got an awful doing before.

rumours also have it that kerins isn't even considered within kerry 4 the senior job.again i dont believe that 4 a second.kerins (for all we know) could already be guaranteed that job, but told to keep stum until paudie is gone.you just never know the politics involved.

posted 11 September 2003 09:55 PM         

Arguably 7 of the 1994 All Ireland team were established before he came along. Joe O'Connor, Dave Clarke, Declan Nash, Mike Houlihan, Ciaran Carey and Frankie Carroll and Gary Kirby. HE put 8 with them and got them to an All Ireland. That aint being choosey

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Originally posted by Tommy Tucker:
Or is it that he chooses his teams well. How would he get on with Cappamore or Killeedy?

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posted 11 September 2003 10:00 PM         

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Originally posted by George.W.Muff:
Lads doubt it very much if Tom has any chance of been asked back,with Pat Fitz and Hartigan still there??? Maybe if there ousted (which i think would do the world of good).

Heard today Keane asked Callaghan to quit,but Callaghan who received support from the few senior players he rang looking for it refused to bend.Bad form by Scoby.

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posted 11 September 2003 10:15 PM         

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Originally posted by evileye:

heard today that the dual player status wont bother the football cause lucey and fitz would choose football.i must admit i'd find that hard to believe...maybe lucey but conor i'd question.to be honest begley should stick to the hurling anyway....he's a decent hurler in my eyes...i won't comment about his football skills.

also heard bout mark keane and o brien...mark is official i think...not sure bout o brien.can't c either of em making it myself but i suppose there worth a try....some of last years panal were, and i quote 'a joke'.rumours have it timmy carroll is back...class footballer.up there beside damien reidy as regards natural skill and football.hope they get him back in ....couldn't meet a nicer fella.

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Lucey stuck to his guns in 2001 about the football, and if a choice was forced upon him, it may be the direction he'd take. Hes establised on the football anyway and has yet to establish himself on the hurling.

Likewise Begley set his stall on the hurling the same year. He may not be the most skilful footballer but he certainly can be effective. The only way to counteract blanket defences is to kick the ball in high to a big Full Forward. (Incidently David Foley of St Senans is supposed to be coming in, another big man and a natural full forward)

Conor Fitz is the one who has always played both and never chose one over the other. Its very hard to predict what he'd do. He played very well in both this year and consistently picked up scores in both. None of the other two have played consistently well in both at Senior level.

Mark Keane has a lot to offer in that he knows where the posts are. He is an animal on a football field, tears into it, in a way you wouldnt believe, if you had only ever seen him play hurling. A different man on a football field.

Mike O'Brien's best position in football is midfield. He is a very good footballer, but at 6'0" is going nowhere at midfield in the county setup against giants of men like Stokes, Quane and Galvin. Maybe he could play in another position.

Incidently, its rumoured around here that John Quane may have to retire through injury.

posted 12 September 2003 09:24 AM         

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Originally posted by evileye:
the blues
you picked me up wrong...for a vote to carry it needs at least 2/3's of the floor.61 out 79 is over 2/3's and 18 out of 79 isn't.

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floor = 79
2/3(floor) = 52.666
=> needed 53 votes to carry the motion, so DK needed to find 8 delegates to change their minds to save him.

posted 12 September 2003 09:54 AM         

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Originally posted by George.W.Muff:

Heard today Keane asked Callaghan to quit,but Callaghan who received support from the few senior players he rang looking for it refused to bend.Bad form by Scoby.

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What da ya mean he asked? Did Scoby have a binding
contract?

Dave should have bitten the bullet to survive! Since he
couldn't, he didn't deserve to get another year.

How would he have dealt with the players next year having not
been able to deal with his own hand-selected backroom team at the
end of this?

posted 12 September 2003 11:59 AM         

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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
The county Board wont want Tom back, but if he gets the support of enough clubs, it will take a lot to stop him. The Limerick County Board will not spend big money on a manager, so it will be someone reasonably local.

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The one thing you'll get with Tom Ryan is that there won't be messing about with discipline. Back in the early 90s he had a run in with one well know hurler who afterwards went on to win an All Star. Told him to cop on or he was off the squad. Tom dropped him off the panel for his bad attitude. When said player finally came to his senses he was brought back on to the panel and team. Alot of people seem to be against him because of his rantings in the press but it should his record on the field that he should be judged. In the space of 5-6 years he won 2 Munsters, 2 All Ireland Final appearances, 1 League. The way he was shafted in 1997 after winning the National League was a disgrace. If he had remained in charge then the setup today might be in a much healthier state. If he wants another crack at the job he should be considered.

posted 12 September 2003 12:42 PM         

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Originally posted by greenandwhite:
The one thing you'll get with Tom Ryan is that there won't be messing about with discipline. Back in the early 90s he had a run in with one well know hurler who afterwards went on to win an All Star. Told him to cop on or he was off the squad. Tom dropped him off the panel for his bad attitude. When said player finally came to his senses he was brought back on to the panel and team. Alot of people seem to be against him because of his rantings in the press but it should his record on the field that he should be judged. In the space of 5-6 years he won 2 Munsters, 2 All Ireland Final appearances, 1 League. The way he was shafted in 1997 after winning the National League was a disgrace. If he had remained in charge then the setup today might be in a much healthier state. If he wants another crack at the job he should be considered.

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I'd give him another shot it. We haven't had many breaks since he was shafted.

posted 13 September 2003 02:16 AM         

They shafted a man who gave them the only success at all ireland level...........If he was from limerick and not from cork I am sure he would have been given more time, how long did they give a fcuking wamker like eammon cregan ?????????????

Dave Keane should come back to the banks of my own lovely lee (a transfer request to the county council engineering dept) and take over the under 21s and win another 3 all irelands in a row, then take over from donal o grady and lead cork to the liam mc carthy with hurlers who will stay out of pubs and give him the respect he deserves............he wont be shafted by his own the way he was by the most arrogant underachieving wasters in this country.

posted 13 September 2003 02:16 AM         

They shafted a man who gave them the only success at all ireland level...........If he was from limerick and not from cork I am sure he would have been given more time, how long did they give a fcuking wamker like eammon cregan ?????????????

Dave Keane should come back to the banks of my own lovely lee (a transfer request to the county council engineering dept) and take over the under 21s and win another 3 all irelands in a row, then take over from donal o grady and lead cork to the liam mc carthy with hurlers who will stay out of pubs and give him the respect he deserves............he wont be shafted by his own the way he was by the most arrogant underachieving wasters in this country.

posted 13 September 2003 02:17 AM         

They shafted a man who gave them the only success at all ireland level...........If he was from limerick and not from cork I am sure he would have been given more time, how long did they give a fcuking wamker like eammon cregan ?????????????

Dave Keane should come back to the banks of my own lovely lee (a transfer request to the county council engineering dept) and take over the under 21s and win another 3 all irelands in a row, then take over from donal o grady and lead cork to the liam mc carthy with hurlers who will stay out of pubs and give him the respect he deserves............he wont be shafted by his own the way he was by the most arrogant underachieving wasters in this country.

posted 13 September 2003 02:17 AM         

They shafted a man who gave them the only success at all ireland level...........If he was from limerick and not from cork I am sure he would have been given more time, how long did they give a fcuking wamker like eammon cregan ?????????????

Dave Keane should come back to the banks of my own lovely lee (a transfer request to the county council engineering dept) and take over the under 21s and win another 3 all irelands in a row, then take over from donal o grady and lead cork to the liam mc carthy with hurlers who will stay out of pubs and give him the respect he deserves............he wont be shafted by his own the way he was by the most arrogant underachieving wasters in this country.

posted 14 September 2003 02:33 PM         

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posted 15 September 2003 06:31 PM         

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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
Lucey stuck to his guns in 2001 about the football, and if a choice was forced upon him, it may be the direction he'd take. Hes establised on the football anyway and has yet to establish himself on the hurling.

Likewise Begley set his stall on the hurling the same year. He may not be the most skilful footballer but he certainly can be effective. The only way to counteract blanket defences is to kick the ball in high to a big Full Forward. (Incidently David Foley of St Senans is supposed to be coming in, another big man and a natural full forward)

Conor Fitz is the one who has always played both and never chose one over the other. Its very hard to predict what he'd do. He played very well in both this year and consistently picked up scores in both. None of the other two have played consistently well in both at Senior level.

Mark Keane has a lot to offer in that he knows where the posts are. He is an animal on a football field, tears into it, in a way you wouldnt believe, if you had only ever seen him play hurling. A different man on a football field.

Mike O'Brien's best position in football is midfield. He is a very good footballer, but at 6'0" is going nowhere at midfield in the county setup against giants of men like Stokes, Quane and Galvin. Maybe he could play in another position.

Incidently, its rumoured around here that John Quane may have to retire through injury.

I agree that some of the football panellists shouldnt have been there, guys who arent producing in club championship shouldnt be there. Can anyone tell me anything about Mike Roberts and Colin O'Grady?????

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from what i heard quane has retired...i would't be surprised if he came back at some stage.

that guy foley may play full forward but he ain't very natural from what ive seen of him.he was playing junior b last year with st.senans.wont make it at all.begley is not good enough either.

heard keand got 3-6 the weekend.i have no argument with bringing him into the panel after that anyway.thats fair scoring.

timmy carroll may be back aswell which will make it harder 4 o brien - he is good though.

mike roberts is a pure joke...o grady didnt kick much in the championship either.mungret went down.them boys shouldn't be near the panel

must go lads - training

posted 15 September 2003 08:39 PM         

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Originally posted by GUNTHER:

We have now reahed our lowest ebb ever....Limerick hurling could be fcuked for years to come.

Dave Keane,after landing 3 All Irelands and 3 Munster titles in a row...GETS EIGHTEEN VOTES IN A BALLOT???

Assuming that 2 would have come from his own club,this would probably reduce it to 16.

It is more serious that being a mere laughing stock..Limerick Hurling is in danger of dying on it's feet if this is how we reward our managers.

The problems he has had are well documented,and I dont want to go into them again.

However,as a county who have not won an All Ireland for 30 years,was Keane not entitled to just 12 MONTHS to get it right?

Are we so arrogant,after all that he has done for us,that we deny him this opportunity??

Talk of new Managers are immaterial at this stage...we have fcuked up so badly with this one,that it does not matter who we bring in...we are only codding ourselves.

We are in a dreadful state...we have a 12m stadium with no hurling team or Manager.

We are in the final stages of our County championships where a manager should be looking at any new talent..when is the new Manager going to get this opportunity?

We are looking for our FOURTH Manager in just over 12 months..remember Mossy Carroll was also appointed for a brief period during the Cregan fiasco.

Our Senior players who have won FCUKALL in 7 years feel they did not have the respect of Dave Keane.

The 4 players who blackguarded Dave Keane with their drinking sessions should hang their heads in shame..and never be offered a County JERSEY AGAIN.

Our minor hurlers scored ONE POINT v Tipperary in the championship this year.

So..the next time the County Board come calling with their glossy Mackey Stand rochures,remember how they treated Dave Keane.

I will never put a penny into their coffers again.

So,**** the "Senior players",Fcuk the Famous Four drinkers,and Fcuk the County Board delegates who would not give this man ONE more year.

WE ARE FINISHED.

Dave...they dont desrve you..Thanks for the memories.

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posted 15 September 2003 09:21 PM         

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Originally posted by SWEET73:
True 4 U Gunther.

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I hope Limerick get it right next year but the right decision was made, we were at nothing under the present management.
And as for Limerick hurling dying on its feet, hurling is dead in Wesht Limerick. Adare should not be in the Wesht division. When was the last hurler from NCW on a Limerick SH championship team ?
And by the way rumour has it that the NCW club along with the majority of Wesht Limerick clubs voted to get rid of Dave.
So before you rant on here Gunther, check out the situation in your own club.
"People in glass houses........