Wilkinson named new Sunderland bus!!

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Kylie fan Senior Member Posts: 2277 From:The County bar most Saturday nights!! Registered: Oct 2001	posted 10 October 2002 03:13 PM Bit of a shock to say the least....We're stuck with McCarthy for another bit now!! Howard Wilkinson was today unveiled as Sunderland‘s new manager with Steve Cotterill as his assistant. The Black Cats have gone for experience in appointing 58-year-old Wilkinson, who has been the Football Association‘s technical director for five years, on a contract running until the summer of 2005. And Sunderland have installed Cotterill, who resigned as Stoke manager this morning, as Wilkinson‘s assistant. Sunderland, who have had a disappointing start to the season and lie fourth-from-bottom of the Premiership, sacked Peter Reid on Monday night. And their shock move for Wilkinson leaves the FA without a technical director. Cotterill, who only took over at Stoke five months ago, is a UEFA ‘A’ coaching licence holder and is currently studying for the European ruling body’s prestigious ‘Pro Licence’, the highest qualification in Europe after being personally selected by Wilkinson when he was technical director. Sunderland have moved swiftly to install a successor to Reid who has the right credentials to turn the club around. When Wilkinson took over at Leeds United in 1988 the Elland Road outfit were languishing in the lower reaches of the old Second Division. In 1990 he secured promotion to the old First Division and two years later he captured the title – Leeds‘ first title since 1974. But Wilkinson was not able to build on that success and in 1996, after a 4-0 home defeat against Manchester United, he was sacked. A year later he was appointed as the FA‘s technical director. Wilkinson has twice been handed the caretaker England manager role – after the respective departures of Glenn Hoddle and Kevin Keegan. At the end of Hoddle‘s reign he was in charge for a 2-0 friendly defeat against France at Wembley and, after Keegan‘s resignation in the wake of a 1-0 World Cup qualifying defeat against Germany at Wembley, he oversaw a goalless draw with Finland in a World Cup qualifier the following week. Wilkinson took charge of England Under-21s when Keegan was appointed England manager but relinquished that role in June 2001, David Platt succeeding him. After a playing career with Sheffield Wednesday, Brighton and Boston United, Wilkinson began his managerial career when he succeeded Jim Smith as Boston boss. He became Jimmy Sirrel‘s assistant at Notts County in 1981 and in 1982 he took over as manager. In 1983 he was appointed manager of Sheffield Wednesday and guided them to promotion from the old Division Two. But it was at Leeds that he firmly established his credentials as a top manager and many felt he had been harshly treated when he was shown the door at Elland Road with George Graham taking over. Wilkinson said: ``I relish the challenge ahead here at Sunderland. “It is clear to me that this is a club with a proud tradition, huge and faithful support and in the Stadium of Light and academy, facilities that will be second to none. “I feel that I have benefited massively from my time as Technical Director at the FA. “It was a great opportunity to take a step back from the narrow focus that club management can have and look at the new and modern developments that were occurring in the game. “I am very grateful to Adam Crozier and the FA for understanding that the position at Sunderland is challenging and exciting at this stage in my career. “I am really looking forward to working closely with Steve to develop what is on paper already a strong squad at Sunderland. “Steve has established a tremendous reputation within the game in a relatively short space of time. With my experience and Steve’s undoubted ability, I see bright and exciting times ahead for Sunderland Football Club and its supporters,” he told the club’s official website, www.safc.com. IP: Logged
Yellabelly Senior Member Posts: 644 From:Gorey, Wexford, Ireland Registered: Apr 2000	posted 10 October 2002 03:33 PM sh1t fck bll*cks and all the other words you're not allowed type out properly! Was hoping we'd be rid of that pr1ck McCarthy...stuck with him now. IP: Logged
Balbec Senior Member Posts: 434 From:Poland Registered: Aug 2000	posted 10 October 2002 03:35 PM Not even the likes of Sunderland would take him, never mind a big club. IP: Logged
Scolder Senior Member Posts: 350 From:Dublin Registered: Jan 2002	posted 10 October 2002 03:47 PM Ah no stuck with Mick after all the speculation - the pressure will really build now though as people have accepted that he is on his way out. IP: Logged
maiguesider Senior Member Posts: 700 From: Registered: Sep 2001	posted 10 October 2002 03:54 PM quote: Originally posted by Kylie fan: Bit of a shock to say the least....We're stuck with McCarthy for another bit now!! Howard Wilkinson was today unveiled as Sunderland‘s new manager with Steve Cotterill as his assistant. The Black Cats have gone for experience in appointing 58-year-old Wilkinson, who has been the Football Association‘s technical director for five years, on a contract running until the summer of 2005. And Sunderland have installed Cotterill, who resigned as Stoke manager this morning, as Wilkinson‘s assistant. Sunderland, who have had a disappointing start to the season and lie fourth-from-bottom of the Premiership, sacked Peter Reid on Monday night. And their shock move for Wilkinson leaves the FA without a technical director. Cotterill, who only took over at Stoke five months ago, is a UEFA ‘A’ coaching licence holder and is currently studying for the European ruling body’s prestigious ‘Pro Licence’, the highest qualification in Europe after being personally selected by Wilkinson when he was technical director. Sunderland have moved swiftly to install a successor to Reid who has the right credentials to turn the club around. When Wilkinson took over at Leeds United in 1988 the Elland Road outfit were languishing in the lower reaches of the old Second Division. In 1990 he secured promotion to the old First Division and two years later he captured the title – Leeds‘ first title since 1974. But Wilkinson was not able to build on that success and in 1996, after a 4-0 home defeat against Manchester United, he was sacked. A year later he was appointed as the FA‘s technical director. Wilkinson has twice been handed the caretaker England manager role – after the respective departures of Glenn Hoddle and Kevin Keegan. At the end of Hoddle‘s reign he was in charge for a 2-0 friendly defeat against France at Wembley and, after Keegan‘s resignation in the wake of a 1-0 World Cup qualifying defeat against Germany at Wembley, he oversaw a goalless draw with Finland in a World Cup qualifier the following week. Wilkinson took charge of England Under-21s when Keegan was appointed England manager but relinquished that role in June 2001, David Platt succeeding him. After a playing career with Sheffield Wednesday, Brighton and Boston United, Wilkinson began his managerial career when he succeeded Jim Smith as Boston boss. He became Jimmy Sirrel‘s assistant at Notts County in 1981 and in 1982 he took over as manager. In 1983 he was appointed manager of Sheffield Wednesday and guided them to promotion from the old Division Two. But it was at Leeds that he firmly established his credentials as a top manager and many felt he had been harshly treated when he was shown the door at Elland Road with George Graham taking over. Wilkinson said: ``I relish the challenge ahead here at Sunderland. “It is clear to me that this is a club with a proud tradition, huge and faithful support and in the Stadium of Light and academy, facilities that will be second to none. “I feel that I have benefited massively from my time as Technical Director at the FA. “It was a great opportunity to take a step back from the narrow focus that club management can have and look at the new and modern developments that were occurring in the game. “I am very grateful to Adam Crozier and the FA for understanding that the position at Sunderland is challenging and exciting at this stage in my career. “I am really looking forward to working closely with Steve to develop what is on paper already a strong squad at Sunderland. “Steve has established a tremendous reputation within the game in a relatively short space of time. With my experience and Steve’s undoubted ability, I see bright and exciting times ahead for Sunderland Football Club and its supporters,” he told the club’s official website, www.safc.com. LADS THEY'LL ALL GET 20 K MIN. AT THE ND OF THE WEEK ; WE HAVE MCCARTHY BECAUSE THATSA ALL THE FAI CAN AFFORD . FULLSTOP . IF MCCARTHY GOES THERE IS NO CRUYFF, VENABLES TO COME ; IP: Logged
Black_n_Amber Senior Member Posts: 373 From:Ogonnelloe Registered: May 2000	posted 10 October 2002 04:02 PM Mick Mac is not one to understate things. If he had not been interested in the Sunderland job he would have come straight out and said it. The fact that he didn't, really damages his credibility as far as his position as Irish manager is concerned. He has made it clear that he is on the edge and willing to jump ship at the next opportunity. Will he be left in his current position until the next opportunity arrives or will he be pushed before that....? IP: Logged
GUNTHER Senior Member Posts: 1100 From: Registered: Jun 2001	posted 10 October 2002 04:05 PM I'm amazed at the Anti McCarthy brigade...2 defeats in 2 years?...thats a fantastic record. McCarthy has done a brilliant job...he has got average players playing well above themselves. And..considering the kunts he has to deal with like Keane,Dunphy and the FAI...he deserves a medal,not abuse. I am no torch carrier for Soccer or McCarthy..but he must be disgusted with the way he is being treated at the moment. He will definitely walk when the right offer comes along..the yellow Kunts in the FAI will be spared having to sack him..and "Keano" will be back...right into a dressing room full of players who he slagged off during the Summer. Soccer is fcuked in this Country...Thank God for the FAI. IP: Logged
GUNTHER Senior Member Posts: 1100 From: Registered: Jun 2001	posted 10 October 2002 04:07 PM Best of Luck to Howard Wilkinson..hope he gets a great reception when he returns to Elland Road...he deserves it. IP: Logged
Kylie fan Senior Member Posts: 2277 From:The County bar most Saturday nights!! Registered: Oct 2001	posted 10 October 2002 04:09 PM quote: Originally posted by GUNTHER: I'm amazed at the Anti McCarthy brigade...2 defeats in 2 years?...thats a fantastic record. McCarthy has done a brilliant job...he has got average players playing well above themselves. And..considering the kunts he has to deal with like Keane,Dunphy and the FAI...he deserves a medal,not abuse. I am no torch carrier for Soccer or McCarthy..but he must be disgusted with the way he is being treated at the moment. He will definitely walk when the right offer comes along..the yellow Kunts in the FAI will be spared having to sack him..and "Keano" will be back...right into a dressing room full of players who he slagged off during the Summer. Soccer is fcuked in this Country...Thank God for the FAI. Well said Gunther....That was the way I felt before and after the World Cup..However how much can McCarthy get out of the team..Reading some of Quinns memoirs opened my eyes to the fact that McCarthy's days as Irish coach are numbered...Thank God!!! IP: Logged
sarsfields rock Senior Member Posts: 96 From:Tipperary Registered: Jul 2002	posted 10 October 2002 04:11 PM quote: Originally posted by maiguesider: LADS THEY'LL ALL GET 20 K MIN. AT THE ND OF THE WEEK ; WE HAVE MCCARTHY BECAUSE THATSA ALL THE FAI CAN AFFORD . FULLSTOP . IF MCCARTHY GOES THERE IS NO CRUYFF, VENABLES TO COME ; So what if we can't get a Venables or a Cruyff. We would be far better off with somebody like Joe Kinnear or even Dave O'Leary. Just getting rid of McCarthy would be a positive step. Did you hear the self praise he gave himself this week. He was saying that he was in demand because he was sucessful taking Ireland from 54th to 13th in the world and only losing 3 competitive matches in 3 years. Of course most people would reckon that this happened because Roy Keane happened to be playing regularly for Ireland then but McCarthy reckons that it is down to himself! Are they any McCarthy supporters left after the Russia game?? There seems to be a lot less people supporting him these days than there were during the WC. Anybody want him to stay on ?? IP: Logged
Kylie fan Senior Member Posts: 2277 From:The County bar most Saturday nights!! Registered: Oct 2001	posted 10 October 2002 04:13 PM quote: Originally posted by GUNTHER: Best of Luck to Howard Wilkinson..hope he gets a great reception when he returns to Elland Road...he deserves it. Do you think that Wilkinson shouldn't have been given the sack when he was Gunther????? IP: Logged
The Blues Senior Member Posts: 1123 From:Dubh Linn (via Carlow) nagormai@yahoo.com Registered: Jan 2001	posted 10 October 2002 04:17 PM Kylie, There’s no fcuking way he should have been sacked. Very capable manger. More importantly he’s a club manager rather than simply a team manager. He was responsible (but never got the credit) for the youth team players that developed onto O’Dreary’s babies. I hope he’s very successful at Sunderland. IP: Logged
road runner Senior Member Posts: 228 From:cratloe Registered: Apr 2002	posted 10 October 2002 04:19 PM thank god we have right fcukers running the fai the gaa should pay them to stay in office i taught during world cup fiasco john delany was the only person from fai who i could make logic with .you have only to look at latest problem over lack coverage switz game not a good pr job . at the mood berie is in at moment he could tell them to fcuk off no more money. give it to where it is due and well deserved like health services and let their friends in sky sports build a home for them. quote: Originally posted by GUNTHER: I'm amazed at the Anti McCarthy brigade...2 defeats in 2 years?...thats a fantastic record. McCarthy has done a brilliant job...he has got average players playing well above themselves. And..considering the kunts he has to deal with like Keane,Dunphy and the FAI...he deserves a medal,not abuse. I am no torch carrier for Soccer or McCarthy..but he must be disgusted with the way he is being treated at the moment. He will definitely walk when the right offer comes along..the yellow Kunts in the FAI will be spared having to sack him..and "Keano" will be back...right into a dressing room full of players who he slagged off during the Summer. Soccer is fcuked in this Country...Thank God for the FAI. IP: Logged
Kylie fan Senior Member Posts: 2277 From:The County bar most Saturday nights!! Registered: Oct 2001	posted 10 October 2002 04:23 PM quote: Originally posted by The Blues: Kylie, There’s no fcuking way he should have been sacked. Very capable manger. More importantly he’s a club manager rather than simply a team manager. He was responsible (but never got the credit) for the youth team players that developed onto O’Dreary’s babies. I hope he’s very successful at Sunderland. Must say I never liked the style of football his teams played....Very boring and up and at them!!! IP: Logged
The Blues Senior Member Posts: 1123 From:Dubh Linn (via Carlow) nagormai@yahoo.com Registered: Jan 2001	posted 10 October 2002 04:29 PM quote: Originally posted by Kylie fan: Must say I never liked the style of football his teams played....Very boring and up and at them!!! Fair enough. You couldn't argue with his record though. Regarding his style. I think he is simply a realist. He plays to the strenghts of the players he has. That is very different to the likes of Taylor/Charlton who will play a boring style regardless of the players they have. Leeds '92 were hardly boring? They were no Utd '96 or Arsenal '98 but they weren't Arsenal under Graham either. Regarding the FAI. Des Casey is the only capable man in that organisation. Menton is OK. The rest are terrible. [This message has been edited by The Blues (edited 10 October 2002).] IP: Logged
Kylie fan Senior Member Posts: 2277 From:The County bar most Saturday nights!! Registered: Oct 2001	posted 10 October 2002 04:31 PM quote: Originally posted by The Blues: Fair enough. You couldn't argue with his record though. Regarding his style. i think he is simply a realist. He plays to the strenghts of the players he has. That is very different to the likes of Taylor/Charlton who will play a boring style regardless of the players they have. Leeds '92 were hardly boring? They were no Utd '96 or Arsenal '98 but they weren't Arsenal uber Graham either. Leeds 92 were the worst team to win the Old English First Division\Premiership for the past 20 odd years...Probably since Villa in season 80-81 IP: Logged
Mairegangaire Member Posts: 45 From:mairegangaire@ireland.com Registered: Sep 2002	posted 10 October 2002 04:32 PM quote: Originally posted by Yellabelly: sh1t fck bll*cks and all the other words you're not allowed type out properly! Was hoping we'd be rid of that pr1ck McCarthy...stuck with him now. don't worry Yella, Mick'll be gone by Xmas IP: Logged
The Blues Senior Member Posts: 1123 From:Dubh Linn (via Carlow) nagormai@yahoo.com Registered: Jan 2001	posted 10 October 2002 04:35 PM quote: Originally posted by Kylie fan: Leeds 92 were the worst team to win the Old English First Division\Premiership for the past 20 odd years...Probably since Villa in season 80-81 Thats hardly the point. What does that have to do with how boring/exciting they were to watch? In fact, now that I think about it, surely by saying that Leeds '92 were the worst team to win the league is a veiled compliment to Wilkinson. Are you saying he managed the team to a position where they over-achieved? IP: Logged
LimerickNomad Senior Member Posts: 556 From:Athenry (via Cappamore) or limericknomad at hotmail dot com Registered: Jun 2002	posted 10 October 2002 04:36 PM Wilko's style of football went out in the early 90's. I was going to say with the dinosaurs but this wouldn't be fair on dinosaurs... He won a league with Leeds that really wasn't ours IMVHO - I feel we hit at a time when Arsenal on the way down and before Scm came up. Fair play but his time at Leeds after that was an unmitigated disaster culminating in a disasterous League Cup final defeat versus Aston Villa - I was at it - by 3 goals to nil. He was given the boot after a 4-0 home loss versus Scm at the start of the next season, 1996/97. We then had the rare "pleasure" of George "0-0" Graham for nearly two seasons after that. I firmly predict that Sunderland are doomed! They will be relegated. I even think that Wilko could be replaced before the end of the season. IP: Logged
Kylie fan Senior Member Posts: 2277 From:The County bar most Saturday nights!! Registered: Oct 2001	posted 10 October 2002 04:37 PM quote: Originally posted by The Blues: Thats hardly the point. What does that have to do with how boring/exciting they were to watch? In fact, now that I think about it, surely by saying that Leeds '92 were the worst team to win the league is a veiled compliment to Wilkinson. Are you saying he managed the team to a position where they over-achieved? In a way.....What i really think is that Lee Chapman had the season of his life and that Gordon Strachan the talisman...How old was he then 34-35???? Both of them won ye the league along with some great perfomances from people like Gary Speed and Tony Dorigo... [This message has been edited by Kylie fan (edited 10 October 2002).] IP: Logged
Kylie fan Senior Member Posts: 2277 From:The County bar most Saturday nights!! Registered: Oct 2001	posted 10 October 2002 04:41 PM quote: Originally posted by Kylie fan: In a way.....What i really think is that Lee Chapman had the season of his life and that Gordon Strachan the talisman...How old was he then 34-35???? Both of them won ye the league along with some great perfomances from people like Gary Speed and Tony Dorigo... [This message has been edited by Kylie fan (edited 10 October 2002).] In fact its strange how faces don't fit coz that summer Graham Taylor failed to pick the leagues top scorer (Ian Wright) and Lee Chapman for the European championships...He could have done worse...Instead he brought Alan Smith who was completely out of form....I quite like Leslie Ash Chapmans wife..Had the pleasure of bumping into her on holidays a while back. IP: Logged
The Blues Senior Member Posts: 1123 From:Dubh Linn (via Carlow) nagormai@yahoo.com Registered: Jan 2001	posted 10 October 2002 04:43 PM quote: Originally posted by Kylie fan: [B] In a way.....What i really think is that Lee Chapman had the season of his life and that Gordon Strachan the talisman...How old was he then 34-35???? Both of them won ye the league along with some great perfomances from people like Gary Speed and Tony Dorigo... [B] I'm not a Leeds fan. It was a poor enough league in '92 and Utd definitely did their best to lose rather than Leeds win it. Remember Leeds lost Cantona the following season. LN, you are surely going OTT on your prediction on Wilkinson. Would you not give him any credit? IP: Logged
LimerickNomad Senior Member Posts: 556 From:Athenry (via Cappamore) or limericknomad at hotmail dot com Registered: Jun 2002	posted 10 October 2002 05:17 PM quote: Originally posted by The Blues: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Kylie fan: [B] In a way.....What i really think is that Lee Chapman had the season of his life and that Gordon Strachan the talisman...How old was he then 34-35???? Both of them won ye the league along with some great perfomances from people like Gary Speed and Tony Dorigo... [B] I'm not a Leeds fan. It was a poor enough league in '92 and Utd definitely did their best to lose rather than Leeds win it. Remember Leeds lost Cantona the following season. LN, you are surely going OTT on your prediction on Wilkinson. Would you not give him any credit? [/QUOTE] Blues, The game has moved on substantially since 1991/92; I'm not convinced that Wilko has. It was a brilliant season for Leeds when everything went right for us in the League - whatever about the two Cups - and still we only won because Sc*m had a terrible run-in. It was nice to win it that way as we'd lost at least five championships in the 60's/70's, heart-breakingly so, on the last or second last day of the season etc. Wilkinson got the best out of very limited players. Maybe he'll do well in Sunderland but I remain to be convinced that he has the appetite, or the tactical nous for it, any more. Did you get my e-mail the other week? Do you have that programme we spoke about? Do you want a copy of that other thing I was interesting you in? IP: Logged
maiguesider Senior Member Posts: 700 From: Registered: Sep 2001	posted 10 October 2002 05:27 PM quote: Originally posted by Mairegangaire: don't worry Yella, Mick'll be gone by Xmas FRAID NOT FOLKS COS THE DEAR AUL FAI WILL HAVE TO FOOT A BIG COMPO BILL TO SACK HIM AND NO CLUB WILL APPOINT BIG MAC IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE ; IP: Logged
referee is back Senior Member Posts: 1567 From: Registered: Jan 2001	posted 10 October 2002 05:53 PM I am sick to my teeth of this Roy Keane\Mick McCarthy thing and Niall Quinn is even getting on my nerves as well with hin thowin in his opinions on it & I am generally a fan of Quinns. I think they are all overpaid spoiled brats and to qoute a friend of mine who I am more & more starting to agree with as this thing drags on "I hope they are beat by Switzerland, McCarthy resigns , Keane comes back with someone else in charge and they are beat again in the next match" a bit harsh I agree but I am so sickened by the carry on ,that is the stage I have reached. I would love to read Niall Quinns book but I just hope he doesnt babble on about Keane\McCarthy throughout it. IP: Logged
orion Senior Member Posts: 1136 From:U.S.A. Registered: Mar 2000	posted 11 October 2002 06:32 AM Kylie Fan: By all accounts Cantona also liked Leslie Ash ( Chapman's wife ) which was THE reason he was bounced out of Leeds in '92! There was a lot going on at Leeds at that time and most of it had to do with off the pitch stuff. Word on Wilkinson: Typical dour Yorkshireman whose team reflected his thinking. Leeds " won " the title only because Man Ure bottled it by losing their last 4 games. Sunderland is screwed as they don't the players or the tactical nuance that might give them an edge. IP: Logged
LIMERICK LOONEY Senior Member Posts: 1084 From: Registered: Apr 2000	posted 11 October 2002 08:54 AM quote: Originally posted by sarsfields rock: [QUOTE]Originally posted by maiguesider: [b] LADS THEY'LL ALL GET 20 K MIN. AT THE ND OF THE WEEK ; WE HAVE MCCARTHY BECAUSE THATSA ALL THE FAI CAN AFFORD . FULLSTOP . IF MCCARTHY GOES THERE IS NO CRUYFF, VENABLES TO COME ; So what if we can't get a Venables or a Cruyff. We would be far better off with somebody like Joe Kinnear or even Dave O'Leary. Just getting rid of McCarthy would be a positive step. Did you hear the self praise he gave himself this week. He was saying that he was in demand because he was sucessful taking Ireland from 54th to 13th in the world and only losing 3 competitive matches in 3 years. Of course most people would reckon that this happened because Roy Keane happened to be playing regularly for Ireland then but McCarthy reckons that it is down to himself! Are they any McCarthy supporters left after the Russia game?? There seems to be a lot less people supporting him these days than there were during the WC. Anybody want him to stay on ?? [/B][/QUOTE] Your view on McCarthy is a bit simplistic it was all down to Roy Keane and nothing to do with manager while they were winning and moving up the world rankings,but the Russia result is all down to McCarthy.He is dead right and entitled to claim credit for the World ranking of Ireland at the moment.Ireland aren't the first team to suffer from a major tournament hangover,so while he is manager he deserves support,too many bandwagon jumpers for my liking at the moment,in regarding to knocking McCarthy at the first negative result in ages. IP: Logged
GUNTHER Senior Member Posts: 1100 From: Registered: Jun 2001	posted 11 October 2002 09:18 AM quote: Originally posted by Kylie fan: Do you think that Wilkinson shouldn't have been given the sack when he was Gunther????? Kyles... To be honest..Leeds did the right thing to sack him when they did...otherwise they would have been relegated..I am certain of it. Like Peter Reid at Sunderland..he had run his course..and he made some awful signings in his last couple of years...Rush,Hateley,Sharpe...then McAllister fcuked off to Coventry... Ironic that the last goal he conceded as Leeds Manager was Cantona's for Scum at Elland Road...right in front of the Revie stand.... IP: Logged
GUNTHER Senior Member Posts: 1100 From: Registered: Jun 2001	posted 11 October 2002 09:29 AM quote: Originally posted by Kylie fan: Leeds 92 were the worst team to win the Old English First Division\Premiership for the past 20 odd years...Probably since Villa in season 80-81 Kylie... This is crap. Just because they are not Liverpool,Scum or Arsenal does not mean that they were the worst team since..oh,let me think...Aston Villa. That Leeds team had brilliant footballers. Lukic,Sterland and Dorigo were as good as any in their positions at the time. Strachs,Batty,McAllister and Speed were THE midfield of their era..and the main reason why Leeds won the league. Chapman was lethal both in the air and the ground..Wallace was completely under rated..scored 16 goals that season. The only possible weakness in that team was the Whyte/Fairclough combination at the back..back in those days..you were allowed back passes to the keeper..when this rule went,the 2 boys were fcuked...and Wilko was too slow to realise this. Instead of buying a couple of defenders after winning the title..he went and bought where he was strongest..midfield. Roecastle and Sellars arrived for a lot of money...and hardly got a game. Meanwhile Lukic,Whyte and Fairclough were leaking goals big time. That Leeds team should have gone on and won a lot more...but they went backwards...culminating in the embarrassing 96 Coca Cola Cup Final which was the beginning of the end for Wilko. IP: Logged
Kylie fan Senior Member Posts: 2277 From:The County bar most Saturday nights!! Registered: Oct 2001	posted 11 October 2002 09:31 AM Looking through some of the football websites this morning and its unanimous....All the Sunderland fans are saying that Wilkinson is not the right man..And that they will boycott matches...Expect this to run and run...(Unless they win their first few games)..I think someone on this thread said he'd be gone by the end of the season...Could well be right!! IP: Logged
GUNTHER Senior Member Posts: 1100 From: Registered: Jun 2001	posted 11 October 2002 09:37 AM quote: Originally posted by referee is back: I am sick to my teeth of this Roy Keane\Mick McCarthy thing and Niall Quinn is even getting on my nerves as well with hin thowin in his opinions on it & I am generally a fan of Quinns. I think they are all overpaid spoiled brats and to qoute a friend of mine who I am more & more starting to agree with as this thing drags on "I hope they are beat by Switzerland, McCarthy resigns , Keane comes back with someone else in charge and they are beat again in the next match" a bit harsh I agree but I am so sickened by the carry on ,that is the stage I have reached. I would love to read Niall Quinns book but I just hope he doesnt babble on about Keane\McCarthy throughout it. Agree with you 100% Ref..even Niall Quinn is getting on my nerves now...this guy is just too sweet to be wholesome. His handshake gesture towards Keane was pathetic.. he should just try and shut the fcuk up for a couple of months. Unlikely to happen while Pat Kenny,Eamonn Dunphy and Ian Dempsey rule the airwaves. I'm sick of these sycophantic fcukers as well!!! Of Course Quinn's got a book to sell..another sleazy money grabbing fcuker behind the sweet exterior. IP: Logged
GUNTHER Senior Member Posts: 1100 From: Registered: Jun 2001	posted 11 October 2002 09:46 AM quote: Originally posted by orion: Kylie Fan: By all accounts Cantona also liked Leslie Ash ( Chapman's wife ) which was THE reason he was bounced out of Leeds in '92! There was a lot going on at Leeds at that time and most of it had to do with off the pitch stuff. Word on Wilkinson: Typical dour Yorkshireman whose team reflected his thinking. Leeds " won " the title only because Man Ure bottled it by losing their last 4 games. Sunderland is screwed as they don't the players or the tactical nuance that might give them an edge. Orion.. This Leslie Ash story was a load of bollox.. the MAIN reason Cantona left was because Wilko did not pick him on a regular basis....end of story. Your other contention that Leeds won the title ONLY because Scum lost last 4 games...is also a load of bollox..but is what I come to expect from you. Nothing to do with the facts: -Leeds finished 4 points ahead after a 38 game ..YES 38 game season. -Leeds were UNBEATEN at home all season. -Leeds scored MORE goals than any other team that season. -Stachan,Batty,McAllister and Speed were the BEST midfiled combination that season. -They came back form 2 0-4 thrashings in March to win their last 4 games when the pressure was on..this from a team who were playing 2nd Div football only 2 years previously. Oh No..all boiled down to those last 4 games. Go away you ape. IP: Logged
Kylie fan Senior Member Posts: 2277 From:The County bar most Saturday nights!! Registered: Oct 2001	posted 11 October 2002 10:15 AM quote: Originally posted by GUNTHER: Orion.. This Leslie Ash story was a load of bollox.. the MAIN reason Cantona left was because Wilko did not pick him on a regular basis....end of story. Your other contention that Leeds won the title ONLY because Scum lost last 4 games...is also a load of bollox..but is what I come to expect from you. Nothing to do with the facts: -Leeds finished 4 points ahead after a 38 game ..YES 38 game season. -Leeds were UNBEATEN at home all season. -Leeds scored MORE goals than any other team that season. -Stachan,Batty,McAllister and Speed were the BEST midfiled combination that season. -They came back form 2 0-4 thrashings in March to win their last 4 games when the pressure was on..this from a team who were playing 2nd Div football only 2 years previously. Oh No..all boiled down to those last 4 games. Go away you ape. Do u remember the 5-4 game against Liverpool that season Gunther..It was 5-4 wasn't it..They showed it on Sports Stadium (Back in the good old days with the live match every Saturday)...That was some game...And yes ure right from an earlier thread...Rod Wallace was brilliant that year...At the same time though the Liverpool team from 1990 had broken and was basically crap...A lot of circumstances beyond Leeds control led them to win the League that year but fairplay to them..I didn't begrudge them at the time and its pointless doing it now just offering alternative suggestions and facts thats all!! IP: Logged
greenandwhite Senior Member Posts: 348 From:Co. Limerick Registered: Aug 2000	posted 11 October 2002 10:23 AM quote: Originally posted by Mairegangaire: don't worry Yella, Mick'll be gone by Xmas He'll be gone by the end of next week if they lose to Switzerland. IP: Logged
LimerickNomad Senior Member Posts: 556 From:Athenry (via Cappamore) or limericknomad at hotmail dot com Registered: Jun 2002	posted 11 October 2002 10:24 AM quote: Originally posted by GUNTHER: Orion.. This Leslie Ash story was a load of bollox.. the MAIN reason Cantona left was because Wilko did not pick him on a regular basis....end of story. Your other contention that Leeds won the title ONLY because Scum lost last 4 games...is also a load of bollox..but is what I come to expect from you. Nothing to do with the facts: -Leeds finished 4 points ahead after a 38 game ..YES 38 game season. -Leeds were UNBEATEN at home all season. -Leeds scored MORE goals than any other team that season. -Stachan,Batty,McAllister and Speed were the BEST midfiled combination that season. -They came back form 2 0-4 thrashings in March to win their last 4 games when the pressure was on..this from a team who were playing 2nd Div football only 2 years previously. Oh No..all boiled down to those last 4 games. Go away you ape. GUNTHER, Couldn't agree more... I don't care how we won it as long as we did and in the process squeezed Scum out for one more year... Considering those heady days, what we are getting now is utter muck and so very depressing. Wilkinson came to Leeds in October 1988 when we were literally rock bottom - 19th in the old second division. We started that sesaon 1-3-5, I seem to remember. What he did in less than four years is still not properly understood, and under-appreciated. It hasn't been replicated since and probably never will the way the Premiership has gone. Watching the old seasons' review videos from around that era are a joy to behold - Strachan at his very best, Chapman putting his head in where lads won't put their boot now etc. I wish him the very best of luck but I feel that Sunderland have not chosen well. We've already played Sunderland at home so the Leeds fans won't be able to give Sgt. Wilko the reception he deserves for what he did for us between 1988-1992. I think the sticking point with McCarthy and Sunderland was the million they've have to give the FAI for breaking his contract. Wilko came for almost nothing! Cantona left Leeds because of Wilko's stupidity! Cantona wasn't Wilko's kind of player. I think the story was that Wilko was sweet on Irwin (or was it someone else at the pigsty?) and used to phoned Ferguson constantly asking about him. (The irony of this was that Irwin had started his career with Leeds and was given away to Oldham for 2/6 by Bremner arounf 1986/87.) This time Ferguson asked back about Cantona and got a positive response because Cantona has been the stone in Wilko's shoe and had gotten sick of him unsetting his dressingroom. The travesty was the amount of money we got for him, only £1.2M. This irked me more than anything he subsequently won with Scum. We didn't get value for him at the time! He was worth at least 3M in the prevailing market. Stupid business. Stupid Wilko. The start of the end as far as I was concerned. That it took over three more years for him to go was incidental. The two-legged loss to Rangers around that time didn't help either! IP: Logged
sarsfields rock Senior Member Posts: 96 From:Tipperary Registered: Jul 2002	posted 11 October 2002 10:27 AM quote: Originally posted by LIMERICK LOONEY: Your view on McCarthy is a bit simplistic it was all down to Roy Keane and nothing to do with manager while they were winning and moving up the world rankings,but the Russia result is all down to McCarthy.He is dead right and entitled to claim credit for the World ranking of Ireland at the moment.Ireland aren't the first team to suffer from a major tournament hangover,so while he is manager he deserves support,too many bandwagon jumpers for my liking at the moment,in regarding to knocking McCarthy at the first negative result in ages. Of course it wasn't all down to Keane but he was the dominant player. Witness the two home matches against Holland and Portugal and some of the away games against Cyprus when, apart from him, the team looked seriously dodgy. Now on other days other players like Duff and Keane really played well. But McCarthy claimed the credit for bringing Ireland from 54th to 13th for himself, didn't say that this bunch of players coming along at this time was the reason. I think that he got lucky that duff and both keanes and the likes of Carr and Kinsella were around for this tournament. Its not as if this is a club where the manager can select his players. So he cannot claim all the credit. Then there is the fact the he classes success as avoiding total failure. He was happy with qualifying for the world cup. During it he played Duff up front until we were a goal down. Only then does he play Duff in his best and most threatening position. It is this and his "loyalty" to players like Kilbane and Harte that really annoys me. He does not pick the best team. Now you might say that this is debatable and that everybody has different opinions but in my opinion he does not deserve the credit that he is claiming for himself. He does deserve the criticism for bad results, the players have to take stick for the Moscow one as well, as his tactics have been some of the cause of it. Again see duff and kilbane. I think that they will be far better off with somebody like Joe Kinnear who has a proven record in club management. McCarthy's only contribution to club management had been to set Milwll on the road to relegation fromt he 1st Division. Unfortunately I don't think that any premiership club is going to give McCarthy a job but I hope that I am proved wrong. Hopefully West Ham will do us a favour. IP: Logged
LimerickNomad Senior Member Posts: 556 From:Athenry (via Cappamore) or limericknomad at hotmail dot com Registered: Jun 2002	posted 11 October 2002 10:42 AM Phil 'fcukin' Babb! Gary 'sh*te' Breen! His loyalty to very, very limited players is very annoying and very damaging to him and the team. I won't even mention Carsley, Connolly or any of the other patently not-good-enough-or-never-will-be non-entities that are still on the peripherals of the Irish team. I supported him during the Keane saga as he really had no option in his actions, albeit he could have dealt with Keane behind closed doors. The knives are out. His patent lack of club success is also telling. Saying that, Jackie Charlton wasn't much better, but he was luckier and in an era when we expected a lot less than now. We get what we pay for and that is certainly the case with McCarthy. McCarthy out, O'Leary in! IP: Logged
tmc Senior Member Posts: 146 From: Registered: Jan 2002	posted 11 October 2002 10:59 AM I was always fascinated by Whyte & Fairclough. They were terrible but somehow usually coped. What was going on with Chris Whyte's hair though, did he have mange or something? IP: Logged
Kylie fan Senior Member Posts: 2277 From:The County bar most Saturday nights!! Registered: Oct 2001	posted 11 October 2002 11:08 AM quote: Originally posted by tmc: I was always fascinated by Whyte & Fairclough. They were terrible but somehow usually coped. What was going on with Chris Whyte's hair though, did he have mange or something? Chris Whyte...Arsenal reject.....On a different note we used to collect Shoot in my household...And we have literally hundreds in the attic dating from 1981 to 1994...Anyway besides having the one that features Beckham at the Nou Camp (at age 12)...I also have one where it searches for stars for tomorrow and it shows Emile Heskey at age 16 etc...I just saw it again last weekend when i was going over a few of them...What are the chances of that...Someone at 16 being tipped for the top and actually making it!!! IP: Logged
GUNTHER Senior Member Posts: 1100 From: Registered: Jun 2001	posted 11 October 2002 11:27 AM quote: Originally posted by Kylie fan: Do u remember the 5-4 game against Liverpool that season Gunther..It was 5-4 wasn't it..They showed it on Sports Stadium (Back in the good old days with the live match every Saturday)...That was some game...And yes ure right from an earlier thread...Rod Wallace was brilliant that year...At the same time though the Liverpool team from 1990 had broken and was basically crap...A lot of circumstances beyond Leeds control led them to win the League that year but fairplay to them..I didn't begrudge them at the time and its pointless doing it now just offering alternative suggestions and facts thats all!! Kylie...that 5-4 game at Elland Road was the season before the championship win. Leeds beat Liverpool the season they won the league 1-0..with a goal by Steve Hodge. First time that they had beaten Liverpool since 1974...coincidentally;Leeds also won the title that year. IP: Logged

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