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Young Kenny Senior Member Posts: 758 From: Registered: May 2001	posted 12 August 2003 01:00 PM remember where you heard it first! WATERFORD MINISER MARTIN CULLEN HAS TOLD THE IRISH INDEPENDENT THAT THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD RE THINK THE SMOKING BAN. RUMOURS HAVE BEEN RIFE THAT A NUMBER OF CABINET MINISTER WERE AGAINST THE BAN, DUE TO BE INTRODUCED NEXT YEAR. PRESSURE HAS ALSO BEEN COMING FROM A NUMBER OF RURAL FIANNA FAIL BACKBENCHERS, WHO'S CONSTITUENTS FEEL THE BAN COULD DESTROY FAMILY RUN PUBS IN THE COUNTRYSIDE. MARTIN CULLEN , HUIMSELF A SMOKER, SAID THE BAN IS MORE EVIDENCE OF THE IMPORTATION OF AMERICAN STYLE POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. HE SAYS IF THE BAN COMES IN, IT SHOUDL BE ON A PHASED BASIS. HOWEVER MARTIN CULLEN SAYS THERE ARE PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES IN IRISH SOCIETY WHICH SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. SOUTH TIPPERARY TD NOEL DAVERN WILL TABLE A MOTION ON THE ISSUE AT THE NEXT MEETING OF THE FIANNA FAIL PARTIAMENTARY PARTY. IP: Logged
BallyUL Member Posts: 18 From:Laois Registered: Jul 2003	posted 12 August 2003 01:24 PM I hope this ban does come into effect, however I don't think it will unfortunately. I don't smoke, but I've worked in pubs for the last 5yrs part-time to help out with college fees etc..etc..I sometimes have a smokers cough, my lungs have been irreversibly damaged by smoke during this time. Does anybody think that this is fair? Why should anybody have to inhale second hand smoke, esp when they don't smoke themselves? Does anybody know of another job/occupation, whereby the staff unwillingly sustain long term health problems?? Fair enough, many bar staff do smoke themselves, but what about the people that don't, staff and customers inclusive? IP: Logged
Jesper Senior Member Posts: 264 From:Dublin (via West Clare) Registered: Jul 2002	posted 12 August 2003 01:31 PM all that non-smokers can do is make their feelings known to their respective TD's and the Minister for Health directly so they can be aware of the level of public support for the measure. The smoking lobby will be well funded by the tobacco companies, you can be sure of that, so it's up to your ordinary Joe/Jane to become active and make their views known. Martin has to show back-bone on this measure. IP: Logged
ManInBlack Senior Member Posts: 258 From:East Clare Registered: Oct 2002	posted 12 August 2003 01:40 PM I hope you're wrong again,Kenny. The Ban should be enforced in full on Jan 1st. Hopefully, Michael Martin will face down this Pro-smoking Lobby. IP: Logged
scalder Member Posts: 46 From:Wexford Registered: Aug 2003	posted 12 August 2003 01:44 PM Go to www.greenireland.com to register your feelings on the propoesed workplace ban! IP: Logged
GUNTHER Senior Member Posts: 1923 From: Registered: Jun 2001	posted 12 August 2003 02:28 PM I'm a little more worried about the thugs roaming our streets at night than some fcuker smoking a fag in the pub. Typical Bertie bullsh*it..as long as it gets publicity,forget about priorities. At least this pending fiasco will ensure that Michael Martin will never become Taoiseach. IP: Logged
rorschach Senior Member Posts: 604 From:ireland Registered: Mar 2002	posted 12 August 2003 02:33 PM quote: Originally posted by GUNTHER: I'm a little more worried about the thugs roaming our streets at night than some fcuker smoking a fag in the pub. true. as my good lady wife - a non-smoker - says, someone smoking near you may affect your immediate environment, but so too does a group of drunken @ssholes sitting nearby, arguably to a worse degree. IP: Logged
Michael Stipe's No 1 Fan Member Posts: 48 From: Registered: Jul 2003	posted 12 August 2003 02:37 PM quote: Originally posted by GUNTHER: I'm a little more worried about the thugs roaming our streets at night than some fcuker smoking a fag in the pub. Typical Bertie bullsh*it..as long as it gets publicity,forget about priorities. At least this pending fiasco will ensure that Michael Martin will never become Taoiseach. That's the pity of it. Michael Martin is a very capable, eloquoent man, he is being set up by Bertie. He would be a brilliant Taoiseach,he would both look the part and be well able the job unlike the current Taoiseach. IP: Logged
Kylie fan Senior Member Posts: 3707 From:On the lock this weekend!! Registered: Oct 2001	posted 12 August 2003 02:50 PM Michael Martin could have been Taoiseach and then surprise surprise he was given the poisoned chalice of Health...No one can do this job it is nigh on impossible Cowen could not get away from it quick enough!!!! PADDY POWER [This message has been edited by Kylie fan (edited 12 August 2003).] IP: Logged
Young Kenny Senior Member Posts: 758 From: Registered: May 2001	posted 12 August 2003 03:49 PM well michael martin is certainly capable of doing u-turns, telling lies, bluffing, hiding behind expert review groups, and he is spineless and gutless-just like noel dempsey!! i didn't think dempsey could be beaten when it came to u-turns, but what martin is about to do will put the tin hat on it!! and they cant blame the independents this time---strong govt, oh what a laugh!! he should get back to ending waiting lists as promised by him and his fellow govt members. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah--please stop-hahahahahahah quote: Originally posted by Michael Stipe's No 1 Fan: That's the pity of it. Michael Martin is a very capable, eloquoent man, he is being set up by Bertie. He would be a brilliant Taoiseach,he would both look the part and be well able the job unlike the current Taoiseach. IP: Logged
VVV Member Posts: 19 From:Cork Registered: Jun 2003	posted 12 August 2003 03:58 PM If M Martin does a u turn on this, he will be the most gutless fker in the history of politics. I would so love to see the smoking ban come in. I am sick to death of hearing smokers moaning about this. Tough st, you're in the minority, you're out-voted 2:1 at least. why should non-smokers have to put up with smelling like s**t everytime they come home from a pub? Why should some poor fecker trying to make a living working in a bar be at risk of getting cancer from someone's else's disgusting habit? If someone went in to a smoker's office and spent all day blowing carbon monoxide in to his/her face, how would they like it? It has to be a total ban or it won't work. My old has been smoking 40 odd years and he gave up 8 months ago. If he can do it, then so can some dope who decided take up smoking recently. Rant over. Thank you. IP: Logged
Young Kenny Senior Member Posts: 758 From: Registered: May 2001	posted 12 August 2003 04:10 PM watch out because it's going to be a u-turn. the spin doctors are working on the climbdown already!! hahaha a lot done etc...[QUOTE]Originally posted by VVV: [B]If M Martin does a u turn on this, he will be the most gutless f**ker in the history of politics. IP: Logged
Slurry Agitator Member Posts: 14 From: Registered: Jul 2003	posted 12 August 2003 04:45 PM quote: Originally posted by VVV: If M Martin does a u turn on this, he will be the most gutless fker in the history of politics. I would so love to see the smoking ban come in. I am sick to death of hearing smokers moaning about this. Tough st, you're in the minority, you're out-voted 2:1 at least. why should non-smokers have to put up with smelling like s**t everytime they come home from a pub? Why should some poor fecker trying to make a living working in a bar be at risk of getting cancer from someone's else's disgusting habit? If someone went in to a smoker's office and spent all day blowing carbon monoxide in to his/her face, how would they like it? It has to be a total ban or it won't work. My old has been smoking 40 odd years and he gave up 8 months ago. If he can do it, then so can some dope who decided take up smoking recently. Rant over. Thank you. Couldn't agree more! The stench of smoke from your clothes the next morning after a night in the pub is atrocious. You wouldn't even think of putting them back on you, unless you had to get up to go home!! Still, I'm not sure a total ban is the way to go; a better idea would be to have a designated smoking room in a pub and let all the smokers go in there for five minutes every half hour to pollute each other. They could easily do it on the way to the bog. Another point which is being missed, and would be beneficial to all, is that hangovers are less severe after drinking in a non-smoking environment. IP: Logged
Guskzy Member Posts: 40 From:cork Registered: Aug 2003	posted 12 August 2003 05:03 PM i read that article and i believe cullen(a smoker) talks complete drivel. he irish and european whos agaist this law, and the americanisation of the country who believes that renouned sense of having the craic will be lost and italy will be having a better time than us....what the hell is this fool on about IP: Logged
Banner Boy back home! Senior Member Posts: 1127 From: Registered: Oct 2000	posted 12 August 2003 05:05 PM quote: I'm a little more worried about the thugs roaming our streets at night than some fcuker smoking a fag in the pub. Typical Bertie bullsh*it..as long as it gets publicity,forget about priorities. I think I'd prefer to take my chances with some of the drunken thug's! Although I do agree more should be done about it.But the fact of the matter is one in five death's in this country is caused by smoking and a complete ban is the only way to go.When I was younger I just accepted it cause I was out a lot more.Now cause I'm not out as much and have a 19month old daughter when I get home the smell disgusts me.If she's still up I find I have to shower and change my clothes before I can go near her. IP: Logged
Banner Boy back home! Senior Member Posts: 1127 From: Registered: Oct 2000	posted 12 August 2003 05:08 PM Oh Yea,nearly forgot.Where were all these TD's who are anti the Americanisation of our country when the b*stard Yanks were landing their killing machines at Shannon?? IP: Logged
dubliner Senior Member Posts: 158 From: Registered: Jul 2002	posted 12 August 2003 11:56 PM I feel so sorry for you all. I don't drink, but do smoke and sometimes, at night, I'd like to go for a walk, or head for the cinema and walk home, or go to the shops, or even to a pub with my friends for an evening, only I'm taking my life in my hands thanks to the amount of drunken scum around. I know my habit is bad for me but the damage drink does to the drinker and those around him is infinitely worse. The hospitals are not full of people at the weekend because of smoking, but because of alcohol. Far more important issue IMHO. Why not ban alcohol???? IP: Logged
Banner Boy back home! Senior Member Posts: 1127 From: Registered: Oct 2000	posted 13 August 2003 07:45 AM Look,people gave out when they announced that smoking was going to be banned in cinema's but now nobody would reverse back to the old way.I believe it will be the same in pub's,plus it will help smoker's kick the habit.All the drunken scum hanging around is a completely different subject and is distracting from the fact that smoking is a disgusting habit that does damage peoples health and in the long run kill's them. IP: Logged
GUNTHER Senior Member Posts: 1923 From: Registered: Jun 2001	posted 13 August 2003 08:38 AM quote: Originally posted by Banner Boy back home!: I think I'd prefer to take my chances with some of the drunken thug's! Although I do agree more should be done about it.But the fact of the matter is one in five death's in this country is caused by smoking and a complete ban is the only way to go.When I was younger I just accepted it cause I was out a lot more.Now cause I'm not out as much and have a 19month old daughter when I get home the smell disgusts me.If she's still up I find I have to shower and change my clothes before I can go near her. Oh For Fcuks Sake!!!! You roll in from the pub at 1 am..your 19 month daughter approaches you for a hug...you brush her off so you can take a shower and change your clothes. You do in your hole!!! I honestly cant believe some of the rubbish that's posted here by normally decent contributors. IP: Logged
Banner Boy back home! Senior Member Posts: 1127 From: Registered: Oct 2000	posted 13 August 2003 08:49 AM GO F*CK yourself GUNTHER.I went for a few beer's after the match on Sunday cause my brother is a big Cork supporter and I got home at eight and YES I did shower and change my clothes before I went near my daughter. Ye smokers are bitter and twisted people and hope ye all get cancer cause ye deserve it!! IP: Logged
Slurry Agitator Member Posts: 14 From: Registered: Jul 2003	posted 13 August 2003 10:10 AM quote: Originally posted by Banner Boy back home!: I think I'd prefer to take my chances with some of the drunken thug's! Although I do agree more should be done about it.But the fact of the matter is one in five death's in this country is caused by smoking and a complete ban is the only way to go.When I was younger I just accepted it cause I was out a lot more.Now cause I'm not out as much and have a 19month old daughter when I get home the smell disgusts me.If she's still up I find I have to shower and change my clothes before I can go near her. What is she doing up that late, anyway???? Should be tucked up asleep in her bed........ IP: Logged
Banner Boy back home! Senior Member Posts: 1127 From: Registered: Oct 2000	posted 13 August 2003 10:52 AM I never said she was up that late. Obviously if was out until 1:00 she'd be in bed.I was talking about when I'm out early like last Sunday after the match. IP: Logged
VVV Member Posts: 19 From:Cork Registered: Jun 2003	posted 13 August 2003 11:09 AM all you smokers have absolutely no right to argue this. tough st, you should never have started, to begin with. i don't need some dickhead blowing smoke in my face in a pub to feel like i am enjoying 'the craic'. Cullen can fk with his cigerette to france, if thats they way he feel. By the way dubliner, you are totally wrong about drink being more harmful than cigerettes. infinitely more people are dying every year from smoking related illnesses. out hospitals are full of people who there, due to their smoking habits. as a non-smoking person who contribute about 40% tax, so that about 9billion can be pumped in to health every, i resent that completely. smoking rooms won't work. if the publicans think they can get some compromise they'll p*ss all over this smoking ban. they'll go along with none of the initiatives. i feel sorry for some of the rural, family owned pubs, but those urban pubs are owned by a bunch of greedy pigs, who have already been ripping us off with the price of drink, and couldn't care less about the health of their workers or their customers. we should just ban smoking completely. all the smokers would get over it, after about two months and our hospitals may not be so full either. IP: Logged
GUNTHER Senior Member Posts: 1923 From: Registered: Jun 2001	posted 13 August 2003 11:22 AM quote: Originally posted by Banner Boy back home!: GO FCK yourself GUNTHER.I went for a few beer's after the match on Sunday cause my brother is a big Cork supporter and I got home at eight and YES I did shower and change my clothes before I went near my daughter. Ye smokers are bitter and twisted people and hope ye all get cancer cause ye deserve it!! I am a non smoker asshole. So if your daughter,God Forbid,should ever succumb to the dreaded weed,by your logic,she would "deserve" cancer? You are a twisted fcuk. IP: Logged
Banner Boy back home! Senior Member Posts: 1127 From: Registered: Oct 2000	posted 13 August 2003 11:38 AM It's easy say your a non smoker over the internet.If you are a non smoker you wouldn't be so against the smoking ban... IP: Logged
GUNTHER Senior Member Posts: 1923 From: Registered: Jun 2001	posted 13 August 2003 12:46 PM quote: Originally posted by Banner Boy back home!: It's easy say your a non smoker over the internet.If you are a non smoker you wouldn't be so against the smoking ban... There are plenty of non smokers,like me against the total ban of smoking in pubs. However,your comment regarding smokers who you wish to die because of their addiction,is beneath contempt. You,are beneath contempt. IP: Logged
Banner Boy back home! Senior Member Posts: 1127 From: Registered: Oct 2000	posted 13 August 2003 12:55 PM Yea,like I really mean that! Maybe if you didn't practically accuse me of being a liar I wouldn't have reacted like that. IP: Logged
dubliner Senior Member Posts: 158 From: Registered: Jul 2002	posted 13 August 2003 01:03 PM quote: Originally posted by VVV: all you smokers have absolutely no right to argue this. tough st, you should never have started, to begin with. i don't need some dickhead blowing smoke in my face in a pub to feel like i am enjoying 'the craic'. Cullen can fk with his cigerette to france, if thats they way he feel. By the way dubliner, you are totally wrong about drink being more harmful than cigerettes. infinitely more people are dying every year from smoking related illnesses. out hospitals are full of people who there, due to their smoking habits. as a non-smoking person who contribute about 40% tax, so that about 9billion can be pumped in to health every, i resent that completely. smoking rooms won't work. if the publicans think they can get some compromise they'll p*ss all over this smoking ban. they'll go along with none of the initiatives. i feel sorry for some of the rural, family owned pubs, but those urban pubs are owned by a bunch of greedy pigs, who have already been ripping us off with the price of drink, and couldn't care less about the health of their workers or their customers. we should just ban smoking completely. all the smokers would get over it, after about two months and our hospitals may not be so full either. Do you know how much tax we pay on cigarettes???? If we all quit tomorrow your taxes would be a lot higher. Liver damage, people losing their jobs, husbands battering wives, a teenage alcohol problem that's the worst in Europe, emergency rooms filled with people at the weekends. These are just some of the drink related issues we have to face. So tell me this, why should my taxes subsidise this? I'm not joking either. If we are going to be victimised why shouldn't drinkers be deprived of their drug too???? Smokers, in the main, damage only themselves. A heavy drinker/alcohloic is far more dangerous to society. Ban one drug then you should ban them all. After all, I don't need some drunken dickhead barfing all over me when I'm in the pub having a coke and a smoke. Get off that high horse or head for Nazi Germany please. IP: Logged
GUNTHER Senior Member Posts: 1923 From: Registered: Jun 2001	posted 13 August 2003 02:48 PM quote: Originally posted by Banner Boy back home!: Yea,like I really mean that! Maybe if you didn't practically accuse me of being a liar I wouldn't have reacted like that. You are a fcuking liar,and you are beneath contempt. Hope this clarifies. IP: Logged
Banner Boy back home! Senior Member Posts: 1127 From: Registered: Oct 2000	posted 13 August 2003 03:07 PM IP: Logged
Clean Shaven Senior Member Posts: 229 From:Clare Registered: Apr 2003	posted 13 August 2003 03:41 PM Gunther Sounds like you`ve fags hidden under the bed or in the glove box in the car . Why would any non smoker be totally against the full ban ? Get a grip or you may fall off the contempt your above IP: Logged
D�iseNutter Member Posts: 23 From:Tramore, Waterford Registered: Jun 2003	posted 18 August 2003 06:06 PM well not too many will quit because of the ban so we won't have to worry too much about a dip in tax revenue from the cancer sticks. I was working the day after the budget and some people threw the fags back in my face because the prices had gone up already on our computer system. But they all came back a day or two later when they had the shakes, and sales haven't gone down a jot. Our canteen also smells a lot better since a glass partition was put up between smokers and non-smokers. Food actually tastes like it's meant to! IP: Logged
SHANNONSIDER* Senior Member Posts: 4871 From:Limerick, exiled in Dubin. Email: shannonsider@yahoo.com Registered: Jun 2000	posted 19 August 2003 04:10 PM Is Martin Cullen the fella who gets funding from 4 or 5 pubs in the Waterford area? Is he also the guy who reckons that the restrictions on political donations should be lifted? Oh right, yea. IP: Logged
Atha Cliath Member Posts: 43 From:Dublin Registered: Jul 2003	posted 19 August 2003 04:57 PM lads its the oul lads I feel sorry for. I mean look at your average 60-70 y.o. heading for a few scoops in his local. Up at the bar, pint of Guinness, short of Powers and a Major (nice brand names don't ye think!)....thats the lads social life, hes worked hard all his life(or maybe not)and all he looks forward to is his trips to the local for some banter......and now Martin comes along as says...no me bucko...away with ye...smoke at home by yourself. I'm a smoker, and I agree with smoking being banned in all public places except for pubs. Pubs should be the only place you should be allowed have a smoke. I agree with dividing the pubs - ie.e lounge non smoking, Bar smoking where possible - I believe theres a new air system that can stop smoke drifting from one area to another. It works in Finland I believe. Is that not a fair answer? And as for this, well its 2-1 so you do what we like....well then shove all the travellers into houses then !! It'll start with smoking then move on.....its like Orwells book 1984....where will it end ? We are being more and more controlled...free will is being lost. In a pub in LA a few years ago, 20 in the bar, 15 of them trying to get out to a little balcony to have a smoke...it was ridiculous. Irish life revolves around the pub...I just feel a little of our heritage will be lost. We'll all be drinking in pubs like Zanzibar....horrible. rant over as they say. and some of you try to remember, everyone is intitled to their opinion. IP: Logged
SHANNONSIDER* Senior Member Posts: 4871 From:Limerick, exiled in Dubin. Email: shannonsider@yahoo.com Registered: Jun 2000	posted 19 August 2003 05:01 PM quote: Originally posted by Atha Cliath: We'll all be drinking in pubs like Zanzibar....horrible. Explain to me why we'll all have to drink in Zanzibar? IP: Logged
Atha Cliath Member Posts: 43 From:Dublin Registered: Jul 2003	posted 19 August 2003 05:12 PM well that was an exaggeration.....but I feel the old time feel of our Pubs will be lost with a lot of the oul fellas being forced away if they can't smoke. Can we not compromise on these things. BTW on another topic I think superpubs crap...loads of rasons... I'll post tomorrow. Home time. IP: Logged
Atha Cliath Member Posts: 43 From:Dublin Registered: Jul 2003	posted 19 August 2003 05:12 PM well that was an exaggeration.....but I feel the old time feel of our Pubs will be lost with a lot of the oul fellas being forced away if they can't smoke. Can we not compromise on these things. BTW on another topic I think superpubs are crap...loads of reasons... I'll post tomorrow. Home time. IP: Logged
Loughers Senior Member Posts: 160 From:Birr, Co. Offaly Registered: May 2003	posted 19 August 2003 05:13 PM Cause it's in Tanzania and you can do what you like there! quote: Originally posted by SHANNONSIDER: Explain to me why we'll all have to drink in Zanzibar?* IP: Logged
behind enemy lines Senior Member Posts: 126 From: Registered: Apr 2003	posted 19 August 2003 09:29 PM The very same!! He is a traitor!! Stabbing cabinet collegues in the back seems to be the way to cheap publicity. quote: Originally posted by SHANNONSIDER: Is Martin Cullen the fella who gets funding from 4 or 5 pubs in the Waterford area? Is he also the guy who reckons that the restrictions on political donations should be lifted? Oh right, yea.* IP: Logged
Sceptic Senior Member Posts: 77 From: Registered: Aug 2003	posted 19 August 2003 09:35 PM quote: Originally posted by Loughers: Cause it's in Tanzania and you can do what you like there! Mr Livingstone, I presume? [This message has been edited by Sceptic (edited 19 August 2003).] IP: Logged

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