posted 09 January 2004 08:44 PM         

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Originally posted by seansouth:
pa joe has dropped a bomb at wednesday nights training basically saying that he doesn't want any dual players and to choose one football or hurling not fair on players any comments?

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posted 12 January 2004 11:30 PM         

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Originally posted by Corkster:

No doubt the fact that Cork hurlers will have no duel players involved from what I hear means that Lim have no choice if they whant to compete.

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Too early in the year and the numbers training are too high to force players into a decision.

posted 13 January 2004 09:41 AM         

The day of the dual player is rapidly approaching an end. Players trying to juggle both codes as well as work and family commitments is leading to burn out. This coupled together with club commitments means that a fella doesn't have time to sleep not to mind everything else. Brian Corcoran was/is a classy example of a casualty due to too much commitments. In fact I would go so far as to say that the only way you could entertain dual players is to pay them on a full time basis and we all know the views on that one don't we?

posted 14 January 2004 04:44 PM         

Everyone assumes that the boys will leave the football, but what if they dont???? Where would Pajoe be then?

All the boys have a lot to offer the hurling

Conor Fitz has emerged as a genuine scoring forward in hurling,

Lucey has never got going at senior hurling cause of injuries, but was a leader at under 21 and Fitzgibbon and there arent many better than him.

Mike O'Brien has a lot of experience and should have had more gametime in the past two years.

Mark Keane seems to have a knack of getting scores in games including frees, you think you can survive without him, yet nobody has replaced his scores since he left.

Begley is Begley, the most under rated hurler Limerick have, has alway chipped in with scores from playover the past 3 years, his injury was the main reason Limericks hopes evaporated last year.

Mark O'Riordan, a newcomer to the hurling scene but i reckon hes actually a better hurler than footballer, id like to see him in the problem corner back for the hurlers because 1.He has big game experience in that position in football, and 2.he has serious pace.

posted 14 January 2004 05:22 PM         

John Carroll would need more winter training than say Eoin Kelly. All the running is causing Carroll to lose weight, however Kelly doesnt have the weight to lose, so its burning him out.

The problem with the GAA is that there arent individualised training programmes, thats why I favour the Tyrone approach.

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Originally posted by jizique:
Interesting article in Irish Times today about burnout, players training with too many teams etc.
My view is that any colleges player who is fit (and most of them usually are) should not have to do any county training. All the crap about laps and stamina training are for the like of John Carroll (apologies, but let's face it) who are genuinely unfit, who lead unhealthy lifestyles, and who would be stuck in the pub if not hounded around a field.
Skills training is a totally different issue, and I suspect that there is very little work done woth a sliotar on tuesday and thursday nights these days - plenty of time for that over the summer. Most students have plenty of time for that over the summer anyway.

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posted 14 January 2004 07:50 PM         

Regarding PJ's decision to make them choose, fair play to him for sticking his neck out. He wants a panel who are 110% dedecated to bringing some pride back into Limerick hurling. Its black and white, he's asking them to give the commitment needed to be winners . He's already after dropping two high profile players , for from where im standing LACK OF COMMITEMENT TO HURLING. He has a training schedule that includes weekend sessions , weights friday night , running saturday and training match sunday .Why is he doing this? He wants commitment ! So who ever wants to play football let them off , there is a panel of 50 there at the moment and there will be no shortage of fellas rearing to give the 110%.

posted 14 January 2004 08:08 PM         

In Limerick's case, if a player failed to make his preferred squad it would not be like he comes in as a complete stranger to the other squad in May or early June. Or if one squad was out of it in early June.

The players in the "lesser" code might have a little more urgency in their training, and a little more reason to actually show up every session. They might improve.

Or is it even practical to have a training session for 60 players?

posted 15 January 2004 10:13 AM         

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Kearns, Whelahan to duel on player row
http://www.examiner.ie/pport/web/sport/Full_Story/did-sgj-MmlR70n46sgadLjt5C321I.asp

By Colm O'Connor

LIMERICK football manager Liam Kearns and his hurling counterpart
Padjoe Whelahan are to meet to resolve the row over dual players.
Last week, the former Birr boss demanded full commitment to
hurling from all in his squad. Kearns has been forced to delay
naming his team to play Waterford in the McGrath Cup semi-final
until the matter which affects Stephen Lucey, Mark Keane, Mark
O'Riordan, Conor Fitzgerald, Brian Begley and Mike O'Brien can be
resolved.

The chairman of the Limerick County Board Pat Fitzgerald is keen
to resolve the issue before the commencement of the Allianz
leagues, especially as the county footballers are playing in
Division One for the first time.

posted 15 January 2004 01:17 PM         

2004 represents their best ever chance of winning a Munster football championship. Have avoided Cork and Kerry in the draw and will have home advantage agaianst them if they get to final. Lucey, Fitz and O'Riordan would be mammoth losses to football cause. I think the footballerscould do without O'Brien and Mark Keane. Saw Keane play against Kerry under 21 in 2002 in TRalee. THought he was limited as a footballer. Has natural talent in hurling and under new management might fulfill his massive potential in hurling.

posted 15 January 2004 01:23 PM         

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Originally posted by referee is back:
Tricky one for Limerick.

2004 represents their best ever chance of winning a Munster football championship. Have avoided Cork and Kerry in the draw and will have home advantage agaianst them if they get to final. Lucey, Fitz and O'Riordan would be mammoth losses to football cause. I think the footballerscould do without O'Brien and Mark Keane. Saw Keane play against Kerry under 21 in 2002 in TRalee. THought he was limited as a footballer. Has natural talent in hurling and under new management might fulfill his massive potential in hurling.

Lucey and Fitz has been extremely loyal to Liam Kearns and Limerick football. It is difficult to see them packing it in irrespestive of ultimatums.

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Ref,

I predict that Lucey, Fitz, O'Brien and Keane will all stump up
for the footballers.

posted 15 January 2004 10:27 PM         

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Originally posted by LimerickNomad:
Ref,

I predict that Lucey, Fitz, O'Brien and Keane will all stump up
for the footballers.

I also agree that it's our best chance ever. It's got to be this
year or not at all given that Kerry are possibly entering a
period of lull and Cork are rebuilding. This allied with the
fact that we don't have to play both of them to escape the black
hole that Munster Senior Football has been for the weaker
counties for most of the last 70 years (Tipp - 35, Clare - 92).

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posted 16 January 2004 01:40 PM         

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Originally posted by seansouth:
pa joe has dropped a bomb at wednesday nights training basically saying that he doesn't want any dual players and to choose one football or hurling not fair on players any comments?

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Brendan Cummins is not going to play any football for Tipp. either!
He will play hurling only.

posted 16 January 2004 01:50 PM         

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Originally posted by evileye:

lucey fitz and keane definately will.not sure bout o brien - begley should and will choose hurling id say and mark o riordan will also choose football

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How's it going evileye! I've heard that Mark is plumping for the
hurlers even though he's a football regular!

posted 16 January 2004 04:06 PM         

It was left to Pajo laid down the law, which he did. It has backfired on him in that most of the guys will pick football, its a pity that all the best hurlers arent available to him, but if he made a declaration of intent, he should now stick to it.

posted 16 January 2004 11:24 PM         

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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
One assumes that that issue of dual players came into account in the manager interviews. This is old ground, its not like its a new issue. The county board should haver stepped in long before now to create an amicable solution that will keep all sides happy.

It was left to Pajo laid down the law, which he did. It has backfired on him in that most of the guys will pick football, its a pity that all the best hurlers arent available to him, but if he made a declaration of intent, he should now stick to it.

End of story as far as I am concerned. Again any question marks from me would be directed towards the county board.

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Backfired ??? Hold on a minute here, are we talking about all these dual players as genuine inter county class players ??
Most of them are limited and to talk of them as huge potential losses to the hurling team is over stepping the mark a bit. If all these guys were to make an impression with the hurling team they would want to be hurling exclusively all the time. Brian Begley's hurling needs to improve and did the one year he gave up bog ball. Stephen Lucey for me has made no improvements since he first came on the scene. His striking is still too slow for this level and he looks one paced which is the biggest failing in dual players when it comes to hurling. Mike O Brien is not a natural hurler and would need to devote all of his time to make an impression. Mark O Riordan is a good athlete but his skill level, not to mention his striking, would have to improve immeasurably to make the hurling squad. Conor and Mark Keane are the two most skilled players but their development is being curtailed by football activities.
I wonder is the handy draw in the football influencing their decisions ? Don't be surprised if Pajo tells the media that his best wishes are with those who choose football and that he hopes they win a Munster championship coz they have a handy draw !!!!!!
For my mind I would much prefer to see Limerick defeating Cork in the hurling than Limerick winning the Munster football championship. Call me biased but I was reared on Munster hurling championship games and I wouldn't feel comfortable jumping on the football band wagon like so many johnny come latelys have done over the last few years.
BTW there are no dual platers in the Cork hurling set up so I think Pajo is 100% right to make a stand on the issue. Better a 100% committed squad than people dividing their time between the two games

posted 16 January 2004 11:50 PM         

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Originally posted by Faugh:

For my mind I would much prefer to see Limerick defeating Cork in the hurling than Limerick winning the Munster football championship. Call me biased but I was reared on Munster hurling championship games and I wouldn't feel comfortable jumping on the football band wagon like so many johnny come latelys have done over the last few years.

BTW there are no dual platers in the Cork hurling set up so I think Pajo is 100% right to make a stand on the issue. Better a 100% committed squad than people dividing their time between the two games

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Faugh,

I'd prefer to see us win the Munster football championship than
simply to beat Cork in the hurling, if given the choice.

posted 17 January 2004 12:07 PM         

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Originally posted by LimerickNomad:
Faugh,

I'd prefer to see us win the Munster football championship than
simply to beat Cork in the hurling, if given the choice.

It so happens that there are no hurlers in Cork good
enough to be in the football panel at the moment? Sean Óg
excepted, perhaps!

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John Gardiner was approached by Billy Morgan in November while Sean Og and Tom Kenny pulled out after the Limerick game last year.
Yet again I would have to say that if given a choice between beating Cork in the hurling championship and whatever happens after that and winning a munster football championship the majority of Limerick people would choose the former. The crowd in the Gaelic Grounds for the Cork hurling game next summer will testify to this !!!!

posted 17 January 2004 07:01 PM         

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Originally posted by LimerickNomad:

It so happens that there are no hurlers in Cork good
enough to be in the football panel at the moment? Sean Óg
excepted, perhaps!

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posted 17 January 2004 11:42 PM         

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Originally posted by ac/dc:

shows how much you know about the game LN, nothing.gaa was the best footballer in the cork championship last year and would easily make their seniors.the o hailpins can play the game too you know.if cork has the pick of their hurlers playing football they would be way better.is ronan curran not a good footballer either nomad.dumbest statement i have heard in years.

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Ouch, you're hurting me there ac/dc!

gaa who?

Is Ronan Curran a good footballer? Is he? Are you saying he is
or he isn't? I'm not sure. Back up your mutterings instead of
having a crack at the person putting forward an alternative
hypothesis, friend?

So Cork may have a few footballers in their hurling panel but,
again, are any of them up to current inter-county standard? If
they were, we'd probably have heard Larry whinging on about them
last year. Larry's well able to put across his point of view
when he needs to. I didn't hear him on about any of the players
you mentioned above, except maybe the O'Hailpins.

Cork lads, thoughts?

Aside: I'd say if Larry put of the hurling team playing football
last year they couldn't have done any worse than their football
team but that's neither here not there...

P.S. Just because an inter-county hurler can play football
doesn't automatically guarantee him a similar position on his
county's inter-county team .

posted 18 January 2004 12:45 PM         

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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
I reckon that of the 2003 Cork Hurlers, John Gardiner, Sean Og & Setanta, Tom Kenny, Joe Deane, The Rock, Ronan Curran and Timmy McCarthy are good enough for the Cork Senior Footballers.

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posted 18 January 2004 04:41 PM         

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Originally posted by LimerickNomad:
Ouch, you're hurting me there ac/dc!

gaa who?

Is Ronan Curran a good footballer? Is he? Are you saying he is
or he isn't? I'm not sure. Back up your mutterings instead of
having a crack at the person putting forward an alternative
hypothesis, friend?

So Cork may have a few footballers in their hurling panel but,
again, are any of them up to current inter-county standard? If
they were, we'd probably have heard Larry whinging on about them
last year. Larry's well able to put across his point of view
when he needs to. I didn't hear him on about any of the players
you mentioned above, except maybe the O'Hailpins.

Cork lads, thoughts?

Aside: I'd say if Larry put of the hurling team playing football
last year they couldn't have done any worse than their football
team but that's neither here not there...

P.S. Just because an inter-county hurler can play football
doesn't automatically guarantee him a similar position on his
county's inter-county team .

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Ok then.curran is centre back for his club st finbarrs and would be a bigger loss than fionan murray.he was centre back on the cork minors in 99 and was their best player.last year for the colleges campaign he would have been on the cit footbakll team had their hurlers not got to the fitzgibbon cup final.this was the same team with graham canty,alan cronin and alan o connor- 3 cork seniors.ditto john gardner.

ok smart guy how do you know that the cork hurlers are not good enough for the football team.did you forget that tom knny, diarmuid o sulivan and sean og were part of the cork footballers last year before they pulled out.gaa got called up this year but declined.setanta was also in the plans before he went down under.

posted 20 January 2004 10:24 PM         

any news on the dual palyer lads??heard today we shold know fairly soon.i heard a story (2 in fact) that it is looking good 4 the football set up.unfortunately my lips are sealed until then.as i said though it should be common knowledge very soon.
yet again we shannonsiders are in the paper for all the wrong reasons....its entertaining though.

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Originally posted by LimerickNomad:
How's it going evileye! I've heard that Mark is plumping for the
hurlers even though he's a football regular!

What's the meeting between Pad Joe and Liam actually going to be
about? Is the dual split already a foregone conclusion?

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posted 21 January 2004 08:44 AM         

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Originally posted by ac/dc:

Ok then.curran is centre back for his club st finbarrs and would be a bigger loss than fionan murray.he was centre back on the cork minors in 99 and was their best player.last year for the colleges campaign he would have been on the cit footbakll team had their hurlers not got to the fitzgibbon cup final.this was the same team with graham canty,alan cronin and alan o connor- 3 cork seniors.ditto john gardner.

ok smart guy how do you know that the cork hurlers are not good enough for the football team.did you forget that tom knny, diarmuid o sulivan and sean og were part of the cork footballers last year before they pulled out.gaa got called up this year but declined.setanta was also in the plans before he went down under.

get the facts right LN before you start mouthing off about them.

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ac/dc,

I'm at somewhat of a loss as to why you're getting some heated up
about this topic when none of the Cork lads have even bothered to
contribute yet?

I gave an opinion. If you disagree with it, which is your
perogative, do so but try to stick to the points in question and
not have a cut at the person making them, OK?

Good minors don't always make good seniors! So you think
O'Sullivan is an inter-county footballer? Seán Óg indeed has
proven to be one, in the past. Tom Kenny? Setanta was an
underage star alright, note underage!

At a stretch, your hypothesis remains distinctly unproven,
friend! The fact that you brought Fionan Murray into this
discussion tends to prove my point.

Thanks for the offer of help, evileye. I think ac/dc has a ways
to go before you'll need to dig me out .

posted 21 January 2004 03:07 PM         

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Originally posted by greenandwhite:
Yeah I'd reckon Lucey and Conor Fitz will probably go with the footballers. I think Conor Fitz would be the bigger loss of the two to hurling as hes equally skilled at hurling and football whereas I reckon Lucey is a better footballer than hurler.
I'm not surprised that Mike O Brien choose the football over the hurling as he got jerked around a few years ago being played out of position and being dropped from the team because of poor performance in an unfamiliar role.
I think Padjoe Whelehan is correct in getting this issue sorted now once and for all rather than for this issue to raise its ugly head during the middle of the championship campaign.

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If you are to be honest about it only Brian Begley, Conor Fitz and Mark O Riordan should be of interest to Pajo. Mike O Brien would never be more than a squad member, Lucey is a limited hurler and a bluffer to boot while keano is just too windy for hurling

posted 21 January 2004 04:38 PM         

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Originally posted by LimerickNomad:
ac/dc,

I'm at somewhat of a loss as to why you're getting some heated up
about this topic when none of the Cork lads have even bothered to
contribute yet?

I gave an opinion. If you disagree with it, which is your
perogative, do so but try to stick to the points in question and
not have a cut at the person making them, OK?

Good minors don't always make good seniors! So you think
O'Sullivan is an inter-county footballer? Seán Óg indeed has
proven to be one, in the past. Tom Kenny? Setanta was an
underage star alright, note underage!

At a stretch, your hypothesis remains distinctly unproven,
friend! The fact that you brought Fionan Murray into this
discussion tends to prove my point.

Thanks for the offer of help, evileye. I think ac/dc has a ways
to go before you'll need to dig me out .

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hold on there nomad.my hypothesis remains unproven.how do you know the cork hurling squad doesnt have any good footballers in its ranks.what makes you such an expert.i have plenty of proof to suggest that gardner,o hailpin et al are good enough to play for the football team.

remember it was na piarsiagh who knocked nemo rangers out of the football championship.gardner and the o hailpins beat a team who were all ieland champions and the dual players won it for them that night.o hailpin was capable of playing for the seniors and still is.tom kenny walked off the football panel early last year as did diarmuid o sullivan.yeah like billy morgan was gonna kick them all of if they had concentrated on football.

the footballers loss was the hurlers gain.cit were also weaker for not having gardner and curran on their team last year.their are plenty of dual players who opt for hurling instead of football.that is the reason cork has no dual players at the moment,not because they are not good enough to play it.if you had paid attention to cork club matters LN you might know that rather than ranting on as usual.

and no i do not follow cork that much i just i find it hard to listen to stupid comments about players without any proof.

posted 21 January 2004 05:34 PM         

and no i do not follow cork that much i just i find it hard to listen to stupid comments about players without any proof.

Here here. It's a pity that many of my fellow Limerick contributers don't follow your line

posted 22 January 2004 12:15 AM         

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Originally posted by Faugh:
If you are to be honest about it only Brian Begley, Conor Fitz and Mark O Riordan should be of interest to Pajo. Mike O Brien would never be more than a squad member, Lucey is a limited hurler and a bluffer to boot while keano is just too windy for hurling

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