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(name supplied) 27.03.06
I was a member of
The Palmarian Church from birth until I left of my own accord at the age
of sixteen when I came to realize the teachings of this Church to be fundamentally
The aftermath of my departure had a profound effect on me as I tried to
come to terms with the fact that everything I was brought up to believe
was a fabrication, a lie. This led to several years of heavy drug use
and alcohol consumption, during which time the many unanswered questions
were never far from my mind...
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I was introduced to
the Palmarian faith by a workmate in the office in 1986. I was 27 yrs
old and had completed university 2 years before in Africa. I was a very
regular church-goer-I went to the local Roman Catholic basilica even lunchtime...
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Mary - Posted on Thursday,
September 02, 2004 - 5:23 am
I was raised in this church also, and made the decision to leave a few
I am still living at home with me parents and siblings who are still heavily
involved in it.
My brother who has left home is still a member of the palmarian church,
and he cannot talk to me ever again, even if he calls to the house.
It has been made clear to me that "non catholics are not welcome
in a catholic home" and that I need to leave soon.
My parents are adament that when I do leave they will have no contact
with me ever again " as it is gods will".
they believe that people who choose to leave have been "guided by
the ways of satan and should have no part in a palmarians life".
Its hard to come to terms with alright, things at home have become unbearable,
and im just saving up the money to get out.
Lollypop - Posted on
Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 9:26 am:
I have a Best Friend in this religion. I haven't talked to her since just
after the new year because she totally changed after all the new rules
came in. I did try and I was there for her but she didn't really listen
or care about me anymore. Just before Christmas I was told I wouldn't
be able to talk to her if my boyfriend and I bought a house out of wedlock
and that I had to dress like palmar to see her . I rang her on her birthday
2 weeks ago to wish her a good day and told her I missed her. The next
day she text me and another girl (who is also friends with her) to say
she was breaking all contact with us as she is in the True Catholic Palmarian
Church Governed By the True pope Peter II. Ever since just before Christmas
last year nothing has been the same with us. I was very upset then and
I kinda knew this rule would come out eventually cos they just keep making
up new ones every day, but when she sent the message about not being able
to talk to us anymore I was more angry than anything. I helped her through
so much when her brother left the religion and when her sister was kicked
out and then taken back 3 days later. She was so upset then and now this
is how she pays me back. I wasn't sure if she just broke contact with
us of her own free will or if it was a rule but now thanks to "Hope"
I know it was a rule. Sorry to blabber on I just had to get it off my
chest. I hope that everyone else affected by this religion (CULT) is getting
on now in the real world and I will pray for all of you that things will
get better for you. I can only imagine how hard it was for all of you
that left and that it is probably the biggest step you will ever have
Hope - Posted on Friday,
May 27, 2005 - 5:01 am:
My grandad is not palmarian, my granny is. My dad entered their house
recently and without the permission of my grandad, he "tipexed"
over any photos on the wall that had any of the family not dressed palmarianly.
An aunty of mine has just given an ultimatum to her husband (who was palmarian
between 1980-1985) that she will abandon him and the home if he and the
first four kids (now near 20 years of age) dont dress palmarianly. Just
like that, and that she will go to Spain (theres nothing out there in
that desert save the palmarian basilica) leaving everything. The missionary
priest is urging her on to be firm. That is just the tip of the iceberg
as how palmar affects my own clan.
- Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - 3:11 pm:
Everything seems to have gone quiet in Palmar at the moment, unless any
of you know any different? I have previously posted on this forum about
my Mother and mentally handicapped Brother. With the relatively new rule
about no TV, my Mother has obeyed and banished the television from the
house. My Brother is desperately missing this pastime and now just sits
at home in the evenings depressed and sometimes crying. This is mental
cruelty in the extreme, as he does not understand why he is forbidden
to view his favourite programmes. It will be his birthday soon and I overheard
him ask my Mother, if he could have a television as a present. I am sure
you all know the answer. It breaks my heart to see him tortured in this
Amelia26 - Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2005
- 5:27 pm
There has been no good memories of the faith, justbad. i am 23 and have
been out of the faith since i was abouth 11. i come from alarge familiy
and none of them are palmars except my father. he is a very devout parmar
to probably they hope my father stays with it because my father is the
one i think that gives the most money of his to spain. also father isadore
was the priest my dad had come to the church in wisconsin. so i doubt
my dad will ever leave because he is brainwashes so badly. he trys to
tell me that i will always be a palmar because i was baptised one and
raised one but i tell him no because i no longer believe. when my father
told me this i told him that he was baptised roman catholic and raised
roman catholic , whic he was until some time in his 30's, when i told
him that he had no answer. when i used to talk to my father it was never
any progress because he had somekind of stupid comment. Everyone since
3 years when all the rules became very strict. he stopped seeing my mother
and every since that happened my mother has taken a downfall. her house
is a wreck, no more seeing my dad made her loose her mind worse than it
was before. my dad just recently stopped talking to me because my boyfriend
who is not palmar and never was i stay there sometimes he said he dont
no what were doing so cant have no contact anymore physically but i am
glad that he pts out my sins but does he realize the sins that he is committing.
he used to could associate with me until this happened because i lived
at home at the time they changed the rule about association with family.
i am not sure, still dont quite understand all of it i just know that
this cult would just be put to an end soon because i dont know how much
crazier things they are going to come up with for all i know they might
make everyone kill themselves. i just hope they dont keep my father over
there in spain because of the death, which could possible happen. i wish
someone could just do something about the cult because it has caused so
much pain and loneliness between families none of us can take it anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!
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